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  • authored by mommy2one
  • published Sat, Apr 16, 2005

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Hi everyone I just found this board while typing westmount condo and was wondering what is board is about? I know it sounds silly but would really apreciate you help.

Also I'm sure you all have the question why I typed that name well.....September 2004 I went to the condo and purchased my first property. The inside was very pretty but I regret not doing my work before buying. Well I'm 20 years old so still have a lot to learn..lol....Now I had to change my entire life style because these people changed their move in date from March for September!!!

I went to the sales office the other day and "felt" this weird feeling. Looks like they are having major problems and its getting me scared. I really don't want to be part of this but cant think of any way to get my $21000 back:0( So I guess Im stuck with it.

I'm here so atleast I can get my info about them and will sell the until as soon as possible. Are there anymore buyers from them?

  • posted by mommy2one
  • Sat, Apr 16, 2005 11:09am

anyone?

  • posted by weiser
  • Sat, Apr 16, 2005 12:04pm

How the heck did you manage to get to the sales office?

What did the fine people tell you when you visited?

When are you going to get your suite?

Have you asked for your money back?

If yes, what did they say?

Have you read your sales contract?

Have you visited the City planning office to find out how your project is progressing and what has to be done to satisfy the City?

Have a nice day.

  • posted by hellraiser
  • Sat, Apr 16, 2005 12:37pm

Start here. The rest of the stories are linked at the bottom...

Mondo Condo Pt. 7

Anytime you search or see "Mondo Condo" on the site (it appears about a billion times), that is a reference to the sick joke known as the Travelodge Hotel/Westmount Condo.

Cover your ears and plug your nose reading this thread (one of many- look through the archives)...

Mondo Condo: The Game!

I'm sure there are a lot of buyers out there that are 'wondering' (from both Westmount and Independence Way next door). If you are one of them, then we're soon getting close to meeting many more. I like parties!

Enjoy your stay. Any other info/background story of your case would be helpful.

And when did you purchase? Are you familiar with the area?

  • posted by weiser
  • Sat, Apr 16, 2005 3:18pm

ISDU Potentate, beware of wolves in cheap clothing.

  • posted by hellraiser
  • Sat, Apr 16, 2005 3:42pm

I'm aware weiser. We'll know soon enough.

Anyway, I like undressing wolves. Gets 'em all hot and bothered. Makes me all hot and bothered. Fun stuff.

  • posted by mommy2one
  • Sun, Apr 17, 2005 6:35am

Hi there, I was living on North York at that time and suddenly came across the big sign they had up so around August I went in and the builder himself was there explaining how everything would work out. So september I came in with my spouce and signed the papers. Now what got me REALLY supicious is the lady who was working on this until with me was helpful...so everything was ok and I was busy with my life so never bothered calling them....I needed a few papers and called about a month ago and this RUDE girl tells me she doesnt work here anymore....now when I first bought this I was told she has some share from the sales or something........So that got me...why would she leave?

Well I didn't ask for the money yet, kinda figured they wouldnt give it so easily. Now I really need your help...So this "Joe" he really doesnt have the permits yet? Even now? Because the expected move in date is August 30, how is he going to pull that up?????????

If I go to my lawyer asking for my money back because of this would you think I have a chances..........This down payment is my life savings and because of this I have to stay at my parents and now worring that I will never get a chance to move in or even sale the place.

Any help would be greatly apreciate, I'm deeply sorry about the job losses...But I was thinking the whole time they were going to keep the behind building open as a hotel until the first one is finished?

  • posted by weiser
  • Sun, Apr 17, 2005 7:41am

You've still left a lot of questions unanswered:

quote:


How the heck did you manage to get to the sales office?

What did the fine people tell you when you visited?


When are you going to get your suite?

Have you asked for your money back?

If yes, what did they say?

Have you read your sales contract?

Have you visited the City planning office to find out how your project is progressing and what has to be done to satisfy the City?


If you haven't visited the city planning office, why not?

Do you even know who the owners of the property are?

  • posted by hellraiser
  • Sun, Apr 17, 2005 11:00am

quote:


posted by mommy2one:
So that got me...why would she leave?...

Because the expected move in date is August 30, how is he going to pull that up?????????

If I go to my lawyer asking for my money back because of this would you think I have a chances..........This down payment is my life savings and because of this I have to stay at my parents and now worring that I will never get a chance to move in or even sale the place.


So far you sound credible. I do feel sorry for any buyers because they ain't gonna see shit (at least when it comes to the unit). There is also something about home buyers insurance not covering condo conversions, so that might hurt you too.

They had some really pretty 'window-dressing' phone ladies up in that sales office. Once things started to get too hot, they got rid of them. Too many eyes, ears and loose lips around.

August 30 is a joke. They just say a prayer each day and keep pushing it further into the future. No chance and trust me, you do not want to live in that building. Blessing in disguise. I feel really bad about that living 'with the parents' thing. Scary thought.



PS. email and phone Maria Augimeri, the councillor for the Ward 9 York Centre who knows everything going on in that area. She could help with information related to the development. Let us know what she says.

  • posted by remote viewer
  • Sun, Apr 17, 2005 11:14am

If you are concerned about the status of the project and the builder isn't answering your questions, you should contact the Planning Dept. at North York City Hall. Ask where the renovation project is at. Have the required permits been issued? Have plans for the project been submitted by the builder and approved by the City?

The builder will need a Plan of Condo, an approved site plan and building permits before the project can go ahead.

The people at City Hall are quite helpful. They have to provide you with accurate information based on their records.

In terms of your deposit, you should read over the Agreement you signed to purchase your unit and see what it says. Does it say anything about getting the deposit refunded if you change your mind?

You may also want to contact the Ontario Government's Ministry of Consumer and Business Services to see if they have any advice or recourse for home buyers in your situation.

  • posted by mommy2one
  • Mon, Apr 18, 2005 4:28pm

Wow thank you so much for the information. To tell you the truth though its hard to beleive I havent really asked them too many questions. This is my first purchase and just didn't have any idea it would be like this. I though after giving my down payment its just matter of when I move into the condo.

I'm quite sick today with ear infection...ugh...so tom I will call my lawyer. I'm hoping he can help me?

To answer someone's question: I just walked in and had no problem going to the sales office.....The sales people were ok I mean I guess I didn't really take a deep look as I was just toooo excited about buying a property.

Please someone tell me there's hope in getting my money back? See the down payment is at a thrid party lawyer, so would that help?

  • posted by yankeebythewater
  • Mon, Apr 18, 2005 5:36pm

posted by mommy2one:
"Well I'm 20 years old so still have a lot to learn..lol....Now I had to change my entire life style because these people changed their move in date from March for September!!!

I went to the sales office the other day and "felt" this weird feeling. Looks like they are having major problems and its getting me scared. I really don't want to be part of this but cant think of any way to get my $21000 back:0( So I guess Im stuck with it."

Young one, you are 20 years old, you stuck 21,000 into 'this'. Good grief, who the heck is 20 years old and has $21,000 to boot! I am alarmed you did not research your investment. Did your Mother or Father not advise?

You should be playing the field not held up in the Mondo Condo Affair, to say the least.

Let us all know how it turns out for you! Good Luck.

  • posted by hellraiser
  • Mon, Apr 18, 2005 6:37pm

quote:


posted by mommy2one:
Any help would be greatly apreciate, I'm deeply sorry about the job losses...But I was thinking the whole time they were going to keep the behind building open as a hotel until the first one is finished?


mommy2one,

I'm going to bug you for some specifics...

You said you bought in Sept 2004. When did you first visit?

Did you put all that money down right away?

What was the minimum deposit they wanted and what was the size/cost of the unit you purchased?

You mention that someone told you the back part of the hotel would stay open. There were many confusing stories like this. What unit and floor did they sell you? And when did they say that the back part would be ready for occupancy? Since you took the earlier wing. This must have all come up.

Thanks,

  • posted by The Third Element
  • Mon, Apr 18, 2005 9:49pm

ISDU, take your fingers out of there, you don't know where that's been. You have given this buyer a lot of information. In my humble opinion, wait for some answers now...

  • posted by hellraiser
  • Mon, Apr 18, 2005 10:07pm

LOL TTE.

You think I'm giving away too much about the place? Guess you haven't read too much on this site, have ya? We give away a lot of info. I've got various Westmount price sheets and shit here for reference. Want those? I've spent a good part of my life walking those halls. Try to bullshit me or my coworkers on the place.

She's on our turf. I'm not worried. Honesty can get you places. Lie at your own risk.

You and UFCW haven't figured that out? Now get the fuck out of the lady's thread.

  • posted by mommy2one
  • Tue, Apr 19, 2005 7:32am

Well I dont think its necerssary for anyone to know how we managed the down payment as everyone has a different life style. But yes this money is all I have atleast now to buy a property so it means everything to me. I don;t feel comfortable telling which unit I bought out on the internet nor should it be a concern. I mean I'm here to get information and looks like you guys are the ONLY ones telling the truth about that place...and I really apreciate it.

Now just a question, if Joe isn;t the owner who is? How can he even get down payments from people then? Is that even legal? He;s taking money from us and he's not even the owner of the place?

  • posted by weiser
  • Tue, Apr 19, 2005 7:53am

Those are good questions. From what we know, Chimo Hotels, owned by former priest, Ronald Kelly, and financed by the Canadian Commercial Workers Industry Pension Plan (CCWIPP) owned half and Royal Host REIT owned the other half until just recently. They may have been the owners when you bought. The liens for tax arrears registered by the federal and provincial governments were related to Chimo's ownership.

We know that Joe talks in "we" when he mentions the project. Royal Host has alluded to having a hand in the conversion.

You could call the CCWIPP offices on International Blvd. in Rexdale. Ask for Joan Tanaka (she'll probably have Cliff Evans call you back.). If anyone knows what's happening with the site, Cliff would know. Take very precise notes when you talk to anyone in regard to the project.

However, that being said, it may be well worth your while to visit the North York Planning Office. They'll tell you everything that you need to know about the permits and plans for the project. Ask about the road that the City requires and that could destroy the tunnel and the parkade.

  • posted by mommy2one
  • Tue, Apr 19, 2005 7:59am

quote:


posted by weiser:
However, that being said, it may be well worth your while to visit the North York Planning Office. They'll tell you everything that you need to know about the permits and plans for the project. Ask about the road that the City requires and that could destroy the tunnel and the parkade.


Thanks so much where is it located? is there a phone number where I can call and see if they require a appointment? Thanks:)

  • posted by hellraiser
  • Tue, Apr 19, 2005 8:40am

quote:


posted by mommy2one:
Well I dont think its necerssary for anyone to know how we managed the down payment as everyone has a different life style. But yes this money is all I have atleast now to buy a property so it means everything to me. I don;t feel comfortable telling which unit I bought out on the internet nor should it be a concern. I mean I'm here to get information and looks like you guys are the ONLY ones telling the truth about that place...and I really apreciate it.

Now just a question, if Joe isn;t the owner who is? How can he even get down payments from people then? Is that even legal? He;s taking money from us and he's not even the owner of the place?


Hey TTE, for some reason I get just as much and more from this honest answer than I do from someone telling me they bought the 1210 Sq.Ft North-East view 2 Bedroom + Den for $302,900 (still available as of 06-17-04) with a 4.25% rate sale 3 yr closed mortgage. And if you're wondering, that price is a minimum probably depending on how high you go (3rd floor up).

Westmount wanted $2,000 on signing any agreement, 5% in 30 days, another 5% in 60 days, and another 5% in 90 days. That total 15%. Which, at $21,000 equates to exactly a still available 1 bedroom apartment (fuck the details for you).

So when I say I believe her, I believe her. You I have a problem with.

Sorry to interrupt you mommy2one. Lots of troublemakers around (the bad ones).

To answer one question... if it's not legal, then it is illegal. If by some weird coincidence, Joe disappears or at least your money does, make sure you go after Royal Host. They are the legitimate owners (especially when you bought). Although this press release says they sold the hotel, it wasn't totally honest...

Royal Host sells Toronto hotel

quote:


"This innovative arrangement will allow us to fully realize on the asset value of the property and utilize the funds to reinvest in newer hotels that fit into our core business and our growth strategy," said Greg Royer, President and Chief Executive Officer of Royal Host. "Randy Royer has been diligent in his efforts to see this transaction through from his conceptual idea two years ago to the now final phase of this creative solution. We would like to thank Randy for his determination and creativity; it has assisted Royal Host financially and will also rejuvenate a terrific asset," continued Royer.


So when you talk to the cops, tell them it was Randy's creative solution. I think Joe is working on that story as well.

  • posted by mommy2one
  • Tue, Apr 19, 2005 9:05am

Thank now I have a question because this is your board. Would it be ok if the lawyer takes a look at the info here? I mean I will forward the links you guys gave but also I know theres a lot of awesome information ur giving me but I just dont understand much of it. I'm hoping maybe he can help me with this info. Before I give him the addy I need thr admins permission as I wouldn't want anyone to feel uncomfortable. I would really apreciate the permission as this would help me get the money I deserve back. If its not possible I still thank you for the information, I will forward the links you gave:)

  • posted by mommy2one
  • Tue, Apr 19, 2005 9:21am

Also yes I paid $2000 on signing and then I paid 10% with a 2.9% fixed rate for 3 years.

Now they were dealing with the mortgage and showed the bank its was 15% down to get the mortgage aprroved....But I dont know much details as I was only concerned about getting it aproved.

  • posted by hellraiser
  • Tue, Apr 19, 2005 9:39am

That was so nice of them! This'll be the only time I apologize for my sarcasm.

Pass on whatever you'd like. If it helps you get your money, then it's all good. Send it to newspapers, lawyers, police, city councillors, TV, etc. Whatever you'd like. If you got a Silverman Helps or Jojo Chintoh City TV spot, you'd get many employee fans! Those guys were on our massive shit disturbing idea list.

Just let us know when it airs.

  • posted by mommy2one
  • Tue, Apr 19, 2005 9:54am

Thank You:) Yes maybe we can take it to silverman.....Would get a lot of buyers the info they need....I feel bad because now I think the 85% they sold thats a LOT of buyers who maybe has no idea whats happening with their money....

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