Advice:
Get your negotiating members to go into the stores and talk to the staff about Harmony's impact on the business. Front line information will be very helpful when the company representatives try to use 3rd party as leverage for a compromised deal for your members.
Loblaws to go to 3rd party DC's?
Before talks even began for the new CBA at the Erin Mills DC, Loblaws hinted that they might decide to go with a 3rd party company to staff the new DC being built in Ajax, most people don't believe a word of it since the only other 3rd party venture they have undertaken is a complete failure.
People like myself think it is nothing more then a very transparent negotiating tactic to get the current workers in Erin Mills to accept a bogus deal that will "save jobs", at least that is what the bone-heads at UFCW's idiot central will try and push them into believing.
This whole thing stinks real bad, and me thinks it is only going to get worse.
Any thoughts?
A co-worker told me today that he recieved an e-mail from one of the UFCW staff reps saying that Maplegrove will be voting to accept or decline the Erin Mills contract on Nov 11th, which might not seem too odd at first, but Erin Mills has not even voted to accept their contract yet!
What kind of crap are these morons trying to pull on us now, how the hell can we vote to open our contract early and accept the Mills deal when nobody knows what the deal is?
This sounds like more UFCW idiocy in full throttle to me, and if it is true I hope that my fellow workers at Maplegrove have the brains to vote NO and then roll the contract up real nice and tight and shove it up Kevin Corporons fat ***.
We need to get this "union" out of our building the next chance we get or they will ruin us!
Just in case anyone cares, this is an e-mail that was circulated today at maplegrove regarding the current contract talks, it came from "Slic Ric" who is a UFCW staffer and former contributor on this site.
"There will be a general meeting in Cambridge, probably at the holiday Inn, probably the week of Nov 8th to 11th to present the contract both verbally and through a handout. Everyone will then have 2 or 3 days to take it home and read it over in order to make their own personal decision as to whether they will vote yes or no. The vote as you probably already figured will take place 2 or 3 days after the general meeting.
The contract of course will first be presented to the Mississauga warehouses on Nov 7th.
Everyone has been put in the cone of silence but this is what I can tell you because it was already stated at the general meeting in Mississauga that took place to obtain a strike mandate back on Sept 9th.
there are no wage cuts
there are no benefit cuts
there are no pension cuts
there is a job guarantee for the term of the contract.
As stated at the shift meetings in Mississauga in early Oct, the union asked the mediator to prepare a No Board Report on Oct 25th, that means we would be in a strike position on or aboat Nov 11th pending the ratification vote and any other protocol relevant to a strike.
A strike is of course, at least in part dependent on the outcome of the ratification vote being NO.
The language is much better, with all overtime and daily upgrades and assignments being clearly spelled out....SENIORITY will rule.
The Erin Mills/ surveyors road employees will have several options on the closing of Erin Mills and later surveyors road, and I think those options can benefit employees at Maple Grove, especially those senior employees looking to leave and or retire early at 55.
Having said all that I really believe that all the other issues relevant to the contract means that each person is really going to have to look at their personal situation, look at what is important to them, and then look at everything on the whole in order to decide where to place their vote"
I feel so much better now that it has been spelled out so clearly for us......LOL.....this is crap!
I believe strongly Maplegrove will vote no, The company is mad at erin mills not maplegrove, maplegrove is very productive, third party not likely Loblaws wants controll of its buisness shareholders are not stupid either third party would be living hell for loblaws regards harmony dist 2-3 weeks behind.What happened when peterbourgh closed nothing but cahoos late loads etc. Loblaws is shipping from montreal to toronto stores,they can,t handle the volume as is, xmas is coming the union needs to use this to their advantage, play hard ball vote no.
The union is trying to push this crappy deal through!
The time for hardball has passed and we need to start thinking real hard about replacing this union with one that is not in bed with Loblaws
There is no doubt the contract will not pass at Maplegrove, but the Mill is a different story.
I agree time to go out was just before thanksgiving wknd when they had them by the u know what,I,m suggesting if the union really wants to make changes to our lives and they stop worrying about losing union dues, then striking before xmas would work
We have just learned that there are drivers at the grove who are junior to myself and others, these junior senority drivers just received top wage,drivers from chatham and fortinos are at full rate with less senority then the drivers who came from london branch, what kind of deal is this I,m very mad because I never seen any paperwork in regards to this,never read in the collective agreement, everythings hush-hush did the union /company believe nobody would find out?The funny thing is we were teamsters in london and so was chatham fortinos was ufcw.
You never saw any paperwork because it does not exist, it was probably just one more shady back room deal, which is exactly why a growing number of people no longer trust these crooks to negotiate in our best interest.
If any members of 1000a attend the info meeting at the mill on monday maybe you can give a full report on this site, i think alot people around the grove would like to know what,s coming our way.
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If any members of 1000a attend the info meeting at the mill on monday maybe you can give a full report on this site, i think alot people around the grove would like to know what,s coming our way.
Once the agreement is given to the members at Erin Mills, it will be known to everyone at every 1000a D.C's work of mouth always goes around.
In a few weeks we will have the chance to look it over at MapleGrove and decide then if we want it.
Dont listen to the rumours going around wait to find out for yourself. I heard this guy they call "Pasty" from Perishables is saying a lot of B.S about it.
Take a chance and look it over before you jump to conclusions.
Peace!
Some of these so-called rumours have proven to be true.
I personally talked to our chief steward Doug, who is on the committee doing the negotiating for Maplegrove and he is very clear that we must turn down this crappy deal.
A 2 tier pay system and 6 year wage progression to $18/ hr IS part of the offer for new fulltime hires and a 6 year wage freeze for the rest of us.
This is a bad deal for Maplegrove, but you are right about 1 thing NWO, not everything we have heard is true, and IF this contract gets offerd to us we will see what's what before we rip it up and flush it down the crapper!
as i read the posts here i can't help but ask why are so many assumptions made based on rumour. why not wait until you get the information in your hands before you decide what to do about the contract. almost everything i read is bases on garbage compactor room chat, after a few bongs chat, after a few crack hits chat. i always thought that contracts were presented to workers who then voted and the majority rules. is that still true.
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i would like to ask you all what the rules are on this website in terms of conduct and language. it is clear you permit and have allowed profanity, attacks against character, use of people's names, allegations without basis, derogatory personal remarks, and character defamation.
please let us all know if those rules of conduct in this forum apply to all or just some. in other words do you allow some to conduct themselves in a completely unprofessional and classless manner and yet hold others to a higher standard. do you pick and chose who you allow to say different things dependant on whether or not they agree or disagree with your views. just asking so i know the rules before i post messages.
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almost everything i read is bases on garbage compactor room chat, after a few bongs chat, after a few crack hits chat.
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just asking so i know the rules before i post messages.
Welcome, my dyslexic brother. 
Ill Uminati,
The posting guidelines are quite clear we think.
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i always thought that contracts were presented to workers who then voted and the majority rules. is that still true.
I guess you havent kept up with the RCSS store contract issues in 2003.
Maybe a little more reading is in order
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most people don't believe a word of it since the only other 3rd party venture they have undertaken is a complete failure.
That doesn't deter them - there's money to be made in moving product from warehouse to retail - losses are what makes the books look good. And it's especially lucrative when the supposed 3rd party actaully belongs to the employer.
third party distribution. It's not so much 3rd party as it is a way out from under a cba - which ufcw has been unable (unwilling, got screw'd over and can't) do anything about it.
For sure it's a scare tactic but either way - 3rd party isn't the prize in and of itself IMO
ILL UMINATI, some of the info being floated around is false, but some of it is absolute fact, and based on those facts there is enough of a reason for myself and others to very publicly denounce the proposed "deal" and make sure that it never sees the light of day.
I understand that some people want to see the "deal" for themselves before they make a decision and that is fine, but I have heard enough about this proposal right from the source (our UFCW chief steward who also hates the deal) to make my decision.
And on top of it all, this is a rare situation where a CAW guy like myself is in agreement with a UFCW guy, and that should be cause for a celebration 
Why is it that we have to wait for erin mills to look over the tenative deal? maybe next week we at maplegrove will get a look at the propsed deal, If we are going to vote on this deal we at maplegrove should had info meetings on monday and vote on the sameday as erin mills all they needed was seperated voting locations and boxes, and I don,t accept the argument that our contract doesn,t expire to april 2006 we don,t need to be playing 2nd fiddle to anyone, People want the facts we don,t want to rely on rumors and shop floor talk, therefore the smart thing to do would present the deal to both maplegrove and erinmills at once, Rumours like 2 tier wages and a 6 year progression can get people very angry, lets suppose this is true there are union members who are only a few months away from full rate, know they would have to wait another year and a bit come on that why we should have meeting today and not tomorrow.
The reason we have to wait for Erin Mills to vote on the contract is because it is their contract.
If it does not pass at Erin Mills then it will not be offered to Maple Grove.
If it is not offered to Maple Grove our contract keeps going until it expires.
If you ask me though, we should not even bother negotiating our own contract with the UFCW in our corner because they are inept and will screw us anyway.
I went to the Info meeting in Mississauga.
1. No pay raises but bonuses for FT and PT howver if you are on progression in either you will get a lesser bonus. End rate FT will total 9300 paid every october untill 2011. FT on progression will get 8300 done in the same format. PT end rate will get 3500 and if not at end rate will get 1750 spread over untill 2011. Cola gone.
2. Nothing concrete about Ajax but there is language there for it like a two tier wage which has a 72 month progression starting at 14.00 and a top rate of 18.00 for GW 18.15 for machine operators and 18.30 for reciever/loaders. elimination of the Christmas bonus.
3. packages for erinmills and suryeyors rd employees three weeks for every year no cap. but only a maximum of 20 employee's at Maplegrove and 10 at Freemont willl be allowed to take this package on a 1 for 1 basis. meaning that for every employee that comes from Erinmills or surveyor's to Maple grove one will be able to take this package to a maximum of 20.
4. Everyone on overtime will become General warehouse. only your seniority will get you an upgrade after shift structure.
5. drivers able to come into the warehouses keeping their company seniority but not their union seniority.
6. everyone that came to maplegrove that is day two will be able to use their full seniority union or other to transfer out of maplegrove.
7. WI will start upon the 4th scheduled work day but if the company decides next summer that Ajax is a union shop then it will be upon the 6th scheduled day.
8. training supervisors. Instead of unionized trainers.
The list goes on.
The OK stuff is things like
1. wage re-opener for FT. Durring the summer of 2010 if the Consumer Index for Canada (1992=100) exceeds 149.4 in July 2010 then a minimum wage increase of twenty cents per hour will be applied to the END RATES OF PAY on october 31 2010, October 20 2011, and October 28 2012.
2. re-opener. if there is a material change in circumstances, the union may serve the company writen notice of it's desire to enter negotiations 90 days prior to October 1 2006.
3. a minumum of 10% durring the period of june 1 to sept 30 may schedule vacation durring this time
and only 6% outside of this time.
4. $80 boot allowance
5. added Grandchild for three day bereavement
6. company to cover ohip premium for you and dependances.
7. The employer shall pay an emplyee for the cost of additional visits to a licenced Chiropracto beyond the 10 visits OHIP provides to a maximus of 10 additional visits per year. Payment for such visits will be based on the OHIP fee structure.
This thing with the Drivers coming into the warehouse, Didn't the UFCW campain last year that this is a bad thing that the CAW would do if they represented us at Maplegrove. OOOOHHHHH YEA didn't they slam the CAW for a two tier wage system at Kitchener, which by the way was negotiated by another union and the CAW had to honour this deal and others made, as apart of the caw absorbing a different independant union. The same Deal that Got the UFCW out of counting the first vote at Maplegrove.
The same two tier that was negotiated and radified in Sobeys Milton also under a UFCW banner.
That list could go on and on too. 
Thank you for sharing that Dougle.
Now that the facts are out there I hope people will see this contract for what it is.......GARBAGE
you dont think that the young people of our warehouses will take this bullshit deal? even the more older people? the kids and older people will be luerd by the signing bonus.
Dougle
Why would you on your day off go out to Mississaga to find out about the contract when there is going to be a meeting in Cambridge in a few weeks?
Are you just strirring the pot or do you actually care?
I know that you are against the UFCW so it just kind of weird that you would go out of your way to be there and not waiting for your own D.C's meeting
Is our own meeting going to be different from the one held at the mill? A big question has come up from reading over the proposed contract, In regards to erin mills drivers are they a part of this agreement have their jobs been saved, we were told early the company was going third party for the drivers at the mill/ajax? not stirring the pot just want answers people lives are on the line and I,m sick of rumors maybe Nwo knows something.???
Why wait a coulple of the weeks erin mills is voting on thursday to accept or decline the company offerings?
NWO I believe that we had spoken on Monday at the meeting. I was there because I maybe away because of family issues in the next couple of weeks and may not be able to attend the meetings in Cambridge. I do believe that there was also other Maplegrove brothers there as well and not just those who are on the negotiation committee. You would also note that there are the pros and cons of the contract not just the bad.
As far as stiring the pot I am simply reminding all those who voted and were subject to all the promises and CAW slamming last year. The UFCW local is doing the same thing that they stated that the CAW would do.
And yes I do care this is my life this effects my family, so knowing the facts more than a couple days in advance is important to me, so that I can prepare. Being there also gives me an insite to the frame of mind of our brothers and sisters in Mississauga, so that I could also prepare and let others prepare for the possibilty of Mississauga saying no and/or walking.
The CAW lost and I'm stuck with the UFCW. As one poster here challenged me here to attempt to fix the UFCW from the inside instead of tearing it down from the out side. In order to make it better, am I just supost to sit here and take what the UFCW tells me to and be a yes man like some. or actually stand up and challenge them and make them do the right thing. The UFCW brass have adopted the attitude that they are always right and always know best. And we "dumb @$$'$ dont know a thing.
P.S IMO I wouldn't like this to turn into another charactor debate. Like the other Maplegrove threads in the past. It would be more benificial to all our brothers and sisters to not redraw that line in the sand and to start getting along, given the long road ahead.
PPS this is a heads up for all those at maplegrove.
This is part of the Ontario labour Relations act.(act69)
Successor employer
(2) Where an employer who is bound by or is a party to a collective agreement with a trade union or council of trade unions sells his, her or its business, the person to whom the business has been sold is, until the Board otherwise declares, bound by the collective agreement as if the person had been a party thereto and, where an employer sells his, her or its business while an application for certification or termination of bargaining rights to which the employer is a party is before the Board, the person to whom the business has been sold is, until the Board otherwise declares, the employer for the purposes of the application as if the person were named as the employer in the application.
Same
(3) Where an employer on behalf of whose employees a trade union or council of trade unions, as the case may be, has been certified as bargaining agent or has given or is entitled to give notice under section 16 or 59, sells his, her or its business, the trade union, or council of trade unions continues, until the Board otherwise declares, to be the bargaining agent for the employees of the person to whom the business was sold in the like bargaining unit in that business, and the trade union or council of trade unions is entitled to give to the person to whom the business was sold a written notice of its desire to bargain with a view to making a collective agreement or the renewal, with or without modifications, of the agreement then in operation and such notice has the same effect as a notice under section 16 or 59, as the case requires.
Dougle, I made a bunch of copies of the proposal and handed them out today at work, some have also been handed out on night shift.
Like you I also believe that we should have more then a couple of day's to sift through the pile of crap being pushed on us by our union.
I hesitate to say that there are a couple of decent things in this contract, but the negative far out weighs the positive and IMO it must not be accepted by either of the DC's involved.
You are a real piece of work NWO. Why the f**** would you bring up the fact that dougle went to the meeting as "weird"? You got a lot of nerve buddy. Answer this,,why didn't you guys ever provide us with info? You sure as hell take our fn dues each week! Could it be that you don't want us to see it early and prepare? Does that somehow screw up the little orchestrated dance that you and Illuminati are cooking up with the company to push this shite deal?
Seeing as you and Illuminati are on the negotiating commitee together, I have to ask. Why didn't you secure Ajax with this deal? All that i could make of it is that it is a deal of closure for Erin Mills and Surveyors. You brought it to the members without sewing up Ajax!!! Is this so you can run the"tonnes of guys will bump into Maplegrove" fear game to get us to sign this shit early too? Do a little "tease and squeeze" on the membership. Keep the status quo with some meagre payoffs so you guys can say"well, you ain' t losing nothing" , and we just play along to screw future members? These members will in turn screw us in that magic year where you allow the company to open the contract where i take a cut and they even our wages with the now majority ruling tier 2 employees? You fucking pathetic scumbags. Record profits and you negotiate cuts,,brilliant! I guess that "Education Fund" money from the RCSS debacle is still "in play" for this negotiation. I have tonnes more to add,, but I think I will save it for "OUR" presentation. Don't want to "weirdly" jump the gun like Dougle did,,,, I would like to close with a big "go fuck yourself" to all interested parties!
cmartin ... you seem to thrive on false information. why don't you wait until you have read the proposed contract and then make a decision for yourself. what makes you think you have the right to tell anyone else what to think or do? what makes you such a leader?
i used to work at erin mills, i now have a job posting at maple grove. i know who you are. you haven't done anything to show that you are a leader or someone to look up to. all i have seen is that you are always yapping yapping yapping negative things. i never hear you say and i never hear anyone say that you have any good ideas. you have been at maple grove as long as i have, four years now. have you ever run for election for steward on the shift? don't make excuses because the stewards on the shift have been junior to you. if you wanted to help in things and be a leader, someone for us to look up to you would have done that by now. you need to step aside and stop trying to get your name recognized. even the guys i talk to who worked with you at kitchener say your influence at the kitchener warehouse was totally zero. they say you were just a second tier puppet.
why do you call yourself a "caw guy"?
you were never a "caw guy" you were a "rw guy" i believe.
how many contracts did you negotiate while you were in kitchener? ... zero
how many times were you a steward in kitchener? ... zero
how many job actions were you involved in at kitchener? ... zero
how many arbitrations were you involved in at kitchener? ... zero
here comes the referee to count you out ... i better stop. and that should be a cause for celebration.
and one more thing can you stop making threads i think they are called on these message boards and begging people to come and read and respond. the number of people here are like none at all when we think about it ... there is you, pants, dougle, nwo, me if you want to count me, and a bunch of bored moderators or referees.
when you guys are talking about what the company might do or not do keep in mind 1994. the company is capable of anything.
our brothers in mississauga might vote no to the contract but the company may then turn around and give them final offer that is worse and tell us there is no ajax warehouse. if that happens then maple grove is next. the company is capable of anything.
i am not going negative here just saying that the company is capable of anything. why do we hear people say the company is greedy and ruthless and stuff like that then we think they won't do this and they won't do that like they have a heart.
so which is it ... is the company greedy and ruthless or are they bluffing and would never try to take away our jobs. make up your mind ... time is running out.
edelio >>>>> you seem very angry and you swear a lot. two good qualities. i will just say as i said already. i can't say i have worked with you because i haven't. but i know what shift you are on and i know you have not never gotten involved in anything. i know you are angry at everything. i know you are negative. i know you never have anything positive to say at breaks.
i myself will more than likely vote no still have to read everything when i get it but you won't tell me how to vote.
my uncle ran a pretty big business of his own. he had an obligation to pay his workers a competitive wages compared to same types of workers in similar businesses. if you think he should have paid them lots more because he was filthy rich you are wrong. we are not going to get rich working for loblaws ... sorry for our luck ... if you think everything is so bad then for sure there has to be better companies to work for out there and better money to be made doing the same work. if you find it let me know because i will go with you too.
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posted 11-08-2005 09:43 PM
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You fucking pathetic scumbags.
I would like to close with a big "go fuck yourself" to all interested parties!
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Bravo Ill Uminati you have totally justified everything I have ever said about you and cowards like you.
Let me help you get your head out of your ass for a second (then you can put it promptly up the ass of the UFCW guy next to you)
1.I have tried to become a steward but instead of holding a vote, the UFCW just appointed someone (go figure).
2.I don't want to be nor ever said I was a leader, I just want to make sure idiots like you don't become leaders.
3.My status in Kitchener was basically non-existent, but that was because we had a real union that didn't need me to defend every boneheaded move they made.
4.SAY GOODBYE TO YOUR UNION DUMMY!!!!!!!
I want to say sorry to the MODS and everyone else here for our language.
No worries here. I understand the need to vent. Even when it's on you sometimes cm!
Tourettes syndrome is a well documented malaise among many of us linked with the UFCW for some reason.
I'm sure ILL hears worse on the shop floor. And I can just picture the guy asking the boys to clean it up.
"i know you have not never gotten involved in anything." I was on the first Ergo committee, was first on and helped get formed the Slotting committee, I was the first trainer of new employees and helped in the writing of the training manual. I was a union steward with UFCW175 and was key to, regrettably so, the turning of the vote to your favour during the representation vote for afternoons. All the positions I have listed I left due to the frustration with your union to support the brothers. So , I guess you do'nt know all that much do you.
"my uncle ran a pretty big business of his own. he had an obligation to pay his workers a competitive wages compared to same types of workers in similar businesses. if you think he should have paid them lots more because he was filthy rich you are wrong. we are not going to get rich working for loblaws ... sorry for our luck ... "
Well thank you for that pearl of wisdom. I suppose you can go to your rich uncle to supplement your income when Loblaws gives you a 4 or 5 dollar pay cut. That is about the dumbest point ever made here. Ever heard of a living wage? Or how about a "union" wage. Those poor bastards at 18\\hr sure will be happy to know they are getting 5 bucks less an hour doing the same benign work as a studious "man of the world" like yourself is doing. Yet paying the same dues as you,,,,but,,, i guess life isn't fair so we should just except it. With that attitude one may think you are tryin to sell the contract yourself.
And i humbly apologize to all who post here for the discpicable language I used earlier. It was the "peasent" in me , 
that ulliminatria was I think characterising earlier ,slipping his ugly head out.
Mr.ILL UMINATI how about instead of talking trash about your brothers how about doing what your profile inplies and debate and info share.
1. why should Erinmills and surveyors take this deal, when they really have nothing to lose. When they have no garentee that they have a job in two years
2. How do you think the Company will attempt to screw Maplegrove and take our jobs? (see last posting)
3. What is it that you like and don't like about this contract?
4. Since you have worked at Erinmills what do you think their attitude towards a contract that doesn't offer Job security?
5. why so negative about Kitchener? What is it about kitchener that get you and most UFCW hot under the collar?
PLEASE READ!!
I am one of the many union workers at Maple Grove, Hell I may even be a steward, *Wink*
All I want to say is that it makes me sick to my stomache that one who works under the Loblaw/UFCW banners could at the least give a hint of wanting to promote this silly ass contract. I for one, am in high hopes that our brothers in the Mill will wake up and relize that this is not good for any one and walk out this friday and stand up and NOT have the same thing happen as it did back in the '90's....
All we can do at this point is 'hope'
NOW..(PLEASE READ FORWARD)
Another Union brother and I at Maple Grove will be making T-shirts that underline the pros and cons of that new contract. (All paid for, in other words they will be free t-shirts)
I'm going to interject here for a minute to tell you all that you're having a great discussion but some of the terminology is going beyond the bounds of what's cool in this forum.
You'll have a more productive debate if you avoid personal attacks (attack what's being said - not who is saying it).
That goes for you as well Ill Uminati and NWO. (You actually got the ball rolling in this direction) Questioning people's motives for attending meetings, asking questions and so on is a form of personal attack as well and is pretty much unproductive.
Carry on.
edelio >>>
here is what I said:
"i myself will more than likely vote no still have to read everything when i get it but you won't tell me how to vote."
cant you f***ing read !!!!!! cant you get that through your head.
i also said:
"companies do not have to pay us more money because they make more money. they have to pay us compatitive wages."
stop crying about how much loblaws makes or has. tell that to enron employees, tell that to nortel employees, tell that to all the employees of all the multi billion dollar companies that have gone bankrupt for different reason.
i come to work like you and make what you make. i am not going to think that if we turn this down here at maple grove and then we do our contract that the companys attitude to us will be any different than it was to those other warehouses.
do you think the company is scared of us here in cambridge and not scared of the guys in mississauga?
i also was just saying that i wish guys would make their mind up about whether loblaws is too rich and too powerful or not. we all say they are rich and powerful and greedy and ruthless and then we say they wont go third party and they wont close us down. that makes no sense. it is because they are rich and powerful and greedy that they would do that to us.
i talked to a guy in mississauga yesterday and he said not me he said it ,,, he would not be surprised to see this happen.
mississauga warehouses vote no to the contract.
company makes final offer that is worse.
mississauga warehouses vote no to the contract and move to go on strike.
company locks the doors on strike date which they have the legal right to do.
remember they are rich and powerful and greedy and ruthless.
my last thing to say again is.
"i myself will more than likely vote no still have to read everything when i get it but you won't tell me how to vote."
I too would like to keep this discussion civilized and productive, we have gone through all the name calling before and it does not solve any of our problems.
Having said that, we still have this horrible contract that might be presented to us as early as Friday or Monday and then a vote 2 day's later, it looks like they are trying to fast track the process and that tells me that something stinks real bad, which is why we need to take every minute we have to tell people what is in this contract.
Ill Uminati, you say that you will probably vote no on this contract so what do you care how E Delio or myself decide to get our message across, it might not be your style but that is fine, just stay out of it then.
cmartin >>>>>
when will the contract be presented to us at at a meeting with a copy of the document we saw in the warehouse yesterday and i now have a copy of it???
how many days are we going to get to take it home and read it over before we have to vote on it???
i dont know the answer and i know that you dont either so why dont we wait until we know the dates exactly.
sorry for asking but when you worked at kitchener plant how many days did you have to read the proposed contract before you had to vote on it. tell us what happened there because i dont know if there is a set way to do it or if different unions do it different.
so please tell us.
Yes Ill Uminati Loblaws is ruthless and they do have lots of money, which is why a lot of people think they are bluffing about going 3rd party.
If it was so cost efficient and worth while to farm out our work to another company, Loblaws would have done it a long time ago, but we have seen recently with Harmony Road that it is not all it is cracked up to be, and that is just with GM.
Now lets pretend that Ajax is staffed by a bunch of new hires off the street making $8 and $12/hr, add in the fact that Loblaws will want this company to impose standards at some point, do you really believe that Ajax would be capable of servicing the stores at the same level as us........of course not, and when people start quitting their shitty job, and the stores can't stock their shelves, and shoppers go elsewhere, and Loblaws stock price falls, and shareholders start selling, that is when companies like Loblaws go belly up, not when guy's like E Delio and me think we should make more money, and have good benefits, and a good pension, it is when the consumers and shareholders lose confidence in the company and bail out!
I started at Kitchener mid-way through our contract so you would have to ask someone who has a couple of years on me.
And if you read the e-mail that was passed at work by Ric,you would know that the dates I am using are from that.
BLAH BLAH BLAH,,, you are nothing but a Fnord .
Brothers listen;
Maybe the reason why MOST of the negotiating comittee is recomending this deal is the fact they heard something from the company that showed that we are not going to get much more from them or even worse.
personally I like the 6 year deal and it protects us for a while. The lump sums are quite attractive too.
I do understand why some people will not accept it though.
people will have to go to the meeting and ask questions and find out all the information and think about it before making there decision.
First NWO, I do believe it is an 8 year deal, expires april 14th 2013.
Second, if you do the math on those so-called bonuses over the proposed 6 year period they do not amount to much, and then you have to subtract the Christmas bonus over that same period of time which is about $950, and subtract the COLA, and add inflation, in the end these "bonuses" are nothing more then a smoke screen for how bad the rest of the contract is!
If you think this is a great deal you are in one small minority my friend, it might pass at the Mill, but it will never pass at MapleGrove.
How bad is the UFCW negotiating committee that they could not manage to keep concessions off the table when Loblaws makes record profits every year and has done so for the better part of a decade. It's pretty telling if you ask me (or anyone with a brain).
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we say they wont go third party and they wont close us down. that makes no sense.
Here's why they just can't close us down in Cambridge Brother. Inorder to go third party they would have to completely shut down the warehouse, and have another company build another. and with spending 90million to just build the warehouse and a couple more to maintain it for the last 4 years as well as the money for the equipment spent would be a huge loss for LCE warehouse division to take concidering that they are in the papers crying poor because of "warehouse restructuring." bad business and press.
Successor employer
(2) Where an employer who is bound by or is a party to a collective agreement with a trade union or council of trade unions sells his, her or its business, the person to whom the business has been sold is, until the Board otherwise declares, bound by the collective agreement as if the person had been a party thereto and, where an employer sells his, her or its business while an application for certification or termination of bargaining rights to which the employer is a party is before the Board, the person to whom the business has been sold is, until the Board otherwise declares, the employer for the purposes of the application as if the person were named as the employer in the application.
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(3) Where an employer on behalf of whose employees a trade union or council of trade unions, as the case may be, has been certified as bargaining agent or has given or is entitled to give notice under section 16 or 59, sells his, her or its business, the trade union, or council of trade unions continues, until the Board otherwise declares, to be the bargaining agent for the employees of the person to whom the business was sold in the like bargaining unit in that business, and the trade union or council of trade unions is entitled to give to the person to whom the business was sold a written notice of its desire to bargain with a view to making a collective agreement or the renewal, with or without modifications, of the agreement then in operation and such notice has the same effect as a notice under section 16 or 59, as the case requires.
It's not a matter of making the company scared it's a matter of making them realize that we only want to better our lives through wage increases and a bit of language change. Just like they want for their own family's, Management and shareholders alike.
These bonuses are a one time payoff per year. If we got an hourly increase the hourly rate would compound every year. Hence more money
ex a .25 raise per year would give us a 520 increase in the first year. the second would be 1040
the third would be 1560 the 4th would be 2080 the 5th 2600. the 6th 3120. which is a total of 10,920 thats on a $.25 on 40 hours a week at 52 weeks. no overtime thats only a 1.50 wage increase.
NWO what would signing a 6 year deal protect us from for awhile?
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posted by cmartin:
First NWO, I do believe it is an 8 year deal, expires april 14th 2013.
Second, if you do the math on those so-called bonuses over the proposed 6 year period they do not amount to much, and then you have to subtract the Christmas bonus over that same period of time which is about $950, and subtract the COLA, and add inflation, in the end these "bonuses" are nothing more then a smoke screen for how bad the rest of the contract is!
If you think this is a great deal you are in one small minority my friend, it might pass at the Mill, but it will never pass at MapleGrove.
How bad is the UFCW negotiating committee that they could not manage to keep concessions off the table when Loblaws makes record profits every year and has done so for the better part of a decade. It's pretty telling if you ask me (or anyone with a brain).
First of all I never said that it was a great deal Craig,
It is a 6 year deal for the members at M.G and we are not losing our Christmas bonus.
Do your homework
Third party is a joke. Harmony sucks. Late orders, by days or weeks, out of stocks on the shelves, young families leaving because they can't get important family needs, week after week after week, "Sorry sir, I know this is the 5th week in a row that you have not been able to get _____, but we are having new warehouse issues." Over and over and over. Tell the idiots to go third party!!!
Watch our stores sink some more. The store have already been damaged by their BIG ideas.
you people keep talking about loblaws being the bad guy here. they are in this buisness to make money and pay their labour as little as possible.
the problem is the union is up their asses so far they need mapquest to get out.
they keep talking about this new warehouse that isn't even built yet. all the union wants is more members and they are selling you out get this contract signed. when we went for the contract meeting on monday brian reed and his crack@pot team could not answer any questions about this offer and left everybody hanging without answers .how are you to trust this offer
vote NO.
Well, it could be worse. You could be dealing with Let's Make a Deal Whitlock and his crew at Local 247
UFCW/Loblaw contracts are crap and crappier. Wal-Mart is startin' to look good.
Look at Retail Wholesale Local 580's contract with Safeway's Distribution Center (Summit Logistics)
It sure as hell don't take six to 10 years to reach the top there.
Comments like: "You people keep talking about Loblaws being the bad guy here." & "Wal-Mart is startin' to look good."
You are right. This is more about a union vs. union battle than an employee vs. company battle.
Carry on.
Have fun.
No, it's about the union being so far up the employer's ass that all that's left showing is a pair of Nikes and Pierre Cardin socks (perhaps made in a Chinese prision).
The union toadies are little more than a delivery boys: "Here's what the company shoveled your way. Take it and run!"
cmartin >>>
i got a copy of the whole document now and i have finished reading it. now because i have read it i want to say some things about what you wrote here already to help clear some things up for all the 5 or 6 of us here trading opinions. does dougle count as 1 or 2. i heard someone say on monday at work that he is was off because he needed to go buy more performance enhancing mcnuggets. someone else said he was going to mississauga for the meeting there and someone else said he has mondays off. three people three stories. that is what the warehouse does.
anyway here is what i want to say cmartin about what you wrote to change opinions.
(a) i am not a ufcw guy. i am my own guy. no union will define who i am. i work for me.
(b) you are lying when you say you tried to be a steward but they appointed one instead. i voted for dave huttin for steward on the shift. no one nominated you and you did not enter your name for steward election. i voted for dave huttin and so did others and he won the election he was not appointed. so i ask fairly why do you lie about that. i ask you to go tell dave huttin that he was appointed and tell me what he tells you to go do.
(c) you said "I don't want to be nor ever said I was a leader ..." then step aside and follow because that is what you are telling us, you are telling us what i have heard already that you are pure vanilla.
(d) you said "my status in Kitchener was basically non-existent, but that was because we had a real union that didn't need me to defend every boneheaded move they made ..." again you are lying. your union leader there sold you to another union. not saying it was your fault just saying that is what happened.
(e) you came to maple grove and got more money and a christmas bonus isnt that true. and you got your pension fixed up not sure if that is all done but i heard from your fellow brothers at kitchener that the pension you guys had was underfunded and hurting. good thing for you you got chance to come to maple grove. if you had not been allowed in here who knows what you would be doing, making a lot less money somewhere thats for sure. if you are so smart why dont you tell us fellow brothers to go take a hike, tell the union to go take a hike and tell the company to go take a hike and go out and make more money doing something else, i mean we all want to make more money right.
(f) you said "say goodbye to your union dummy ..."
i am my own guy, the union does not define who i am. this union, that union, no union, i come to work do my job, collect my paycheck and go home. all you do is bang your head against a wall your whole life all pissed off at the world. that is not good my brother.
cmartin >>>
i was talking to a friend who works at erin mills so i can help you out with somethings you were saying.
you said ... "we still have this horrible contract that might be presented to us as early as Friday or Monday and then a vote 2 day's later, it looks like they are trying to fast track the process and that tells me that something stinks real bad, which is why we need to take every minute we have to tell people what is in this contract"
i dont know where you got that information but its wrong. my friend who works at erin mills says that the contract will be presented to us here in cambridge around november 21-25 and have lots of time for questions. then we can take it home and look it over for a few days before we have to vote on it. that seems fair to me. but if you think its not fair then that is your opinion.
you said ... "Second, if you do the math on those so-called bonuses over the proposed 6 year period they do not amount to much, and then you have to subtract the Christmas bonus over that same period of time which is about $950, and subtract the COLA ..."
as i said i got a copy of the document and i actually read it. i am ILL UMINATI are you ILL LITERATE?
(a) i did the math actually and the money over the first 6 years in lump sums is more than if you got raises of $0.50 plus $0.25 plus $0.25 plus $0.25 plus $0.25 plus $0.25 ... but of course you dont get that on the overtime but when we have guys working with us who cry about loa's all the time and are always calling in sick then this is better for them because they never work 40 hours anyway.
(b) why are you subtracting the christmas bonus. we dont lose the christmas bonus. learn to read my brother or have your wife read it for you. again you are lying and this is the blatant third lie you have told here just today alone. i see a bad pattern. you read the document you said and still you lie.
(c) the cola is still being paid to us right now and in january/february and in april/may then as the document says the cola goes to sleep until 2010 and at that date "the union and the company will enter a wage rate renegotiation". if the consumer price index for canada exceeds 149.4 then that will trigger a minimum wage increase of 20 cents per hour in 2010, 2011, and 2012. that is outside of any other wage rate increase negotiated at that time. again you didnt lie completely but you tried to hide some of the truth.
you said ... "how bad is the UFCW negotiating committee that they could not manage to keep concessions off the table when Loblaws makes record profits every year ..."
company profits do not go hand in hand with wage increases. you call yourself a "caw guy" so please explain something to me and dont hide from these question.
(1) what did your caw negotiate with loblaws for peterborough warehouse workers a couple of years ago?
(2) what did your caw negotiate for the peterborough warehouse workers for their warehouse closing? i know it was not close to what i am reading the erin mills guys will get whether they close and their is no ajax warehouse or there is a ajax warehouse to go to.
(3) what did your caw do for the peterborough warehouse in regards to being able to go to work in other food warehouses in ajax, pickering, bowmanville, whitby areas. nothing i hear unless you know different.
Take a deep breath and someone try and answer this question without insulting me, another poster or yourself: What is the Union negotiating committee recommending the membership do regarding this vote? Thank you for the moment of tranquilty amidst the sea of hostilty.
They recomended that Mississauga takes it. Nothing has been said for Maplegrove. However I have been told from some of the Maplegrove committe that they won't support it for Maplegrove.
Hey ILL I would count myself as two given the size of me brother. And If you do have some preformance enhancing mcnuggets Throw some my way. Also If you want my schedual just ask or go into the union office and have a look Brother.
Why are you dredging up Kitchener and the CAW? This has nothing to do with that. How about coming back to the here and now Brother.
dougle >>>
you said ... "yes I do care this is my life this effects my family ..."
ok since you said that i want to say something. i work on the floor at maple grove and while i come in early for overtime i see you leaving with loa's all the time and your brothers in perishable days say you are away a lot. why dont you work and make money for that family like i do for mine. just saying.
then you said ... "The CAW lost and I'm stuck with the UFCW"
you are stuck with the ufcw just like i am right. i dont think you could make more money anywhere else because if you could you would go right. so you are stuck with yourself not the ufcw. like i said earlier the ufcw does not define me i am my own guy. i work here and when i am not happy here i will leave. can you say the same.
you said ... "this is a heads up for all those at maplegrove. This is part of the Ontario labour Relations act.(act69) ..."
come on. that is good information although not needed at this time. but let me say that if guys cant understand something as simple as some of the stuff that is in this contract document i read today how the hell are they going to understand that part of the ontario labour relations act (act 69). we have a lot of guys working with us who are illiterate you know. not knocking them just saying what is true.
hey i think you copied pasted that wrong anyway its as if something is missing when i read it it doesnt make complete sense.
Hey Ill Uminati, I voted for Dave hutton as well, good job The vote I was talking about never happened because the Union appointed someone else in the spot vacated by Dan P, even though I was told there would be a vote, nice try though.
And it has come to my attention that only the new fulltime hires will not get a christmas bonus, if that is true then I half apologize because what I said was half right.
The dates I am using for the meetings came from Ric P in an e-mail to the union stewards, it reads......"There will be a general meeting in cambridge, probably at the Holiday Inn, probably the week of Nov 8th to 11th to present the contract both verbally and through a handout. Everyone will then have (2) or (3) day's to take it home and read it over in order to make their own decision as whether they will vote yes or no. The vote as you probably already figured will take place (2) or (3) day's after the general meeting"
I did not make up these dates, they came from Ric, if the dates have been changed since then it is hardly a lie on my part.
If the committee that represented Maple Grove in these talks thinks it is a piece of shit and want it voted down, that is good enough for me. I may not get every little fact correct but as I proved above neither do you.
dougle >>>
i am trying to answer your questions after today reading the contract document and talking to a friend who works at erin mills.
you asked ... "1. why should Erinmills and surveyors take this deal, when they really have nothing to lose. When they have no garentee that they have a job in two years"
my friend at erin mills said that the union committee who did the negotiating was very confident that the ajax warehouse would be there for the all the 1000a members when it opens in 2007. i need a new car. i want a guarantee that it will always run good and wont cost me any money for repairs. i need a new tv i want a guaranteee that it will always work good.
you asked ... "2. How do you think the Company will attempt to screw Maplegrove and take our jobs?"
i think as i hear you and lots of us say that the company is ruthless. i think if we at maple grove dont take the deal then i think there is no ajax and soon no maple grove. another company, third party can buy and operate the building and act 69 would take effect as you copied pasted here earlier right. everything stays as is but the union has to negotiate with the new company and it is a first contract so it can be lesser than the one we have. the law doesnt say it has to be equal or better right. and i think this company would make other plans to get the product to their stores and we would be on the road. i am prepared for that are you? are others we work with?
you asked ... "3. What is it that you like and don't like about this contract?"
i will give my pros cons tomorrow i am too tired right now.
you asked ... "4. Since you have worked at Erinmills what do you think their attitude towards a contract that doesn't offer Job security?"
it says if there is a ajax warehouse their is a job guarantee and my friend says the union committee was very confident that their will be a ajax warehouse. i just want a contract to work i dont expect guarantees from anybody for anything. that is a bad expectation to go through life with.
you asked ... "5. why so negative about Kitchener? What is it about kitchener that get you and most UFCW hot under the collar?"
i didnt bring the caw up. cmartin and you did dougle. but since you asked i will tell you. i asked cmartin some questions about the caw and peterborough because it is related to what he is talking about.
as for kitchener here is what gets me hot under the collar as you say. the kitchener guys say that us "ufcw guys" and that includes you, are in bed with the company all the time. so i have to ask this ...
(a) why is it that the kitchener guys are so buddy buddy with all the supervisors who came from kitchener?
(b) why is that i have to sometimes bust my ass and pick standards and the kitchener guys in the grocery dept dont have to. how come they never get called on by supervisors from kitchener. buddy buddy. my friends who work day shift grocery are fed up with that. the kitchener supervisors let the kitchener guys surf orders, pick under standards and give them all the downtime to cover it up, they give them loa's when they want, they let them leave early, they tell them personal information on other employees, they give them access to certain computer screens and on and on and on. talk to the day shift grocery guys and you will see what i mean.
I might be able to answer some of the questions about the Kitchener supervisors Ill.
The reason it looks like they favour some of the kitchener guy's is because they do, the same as the supervisors from Fortino's favour some of their guy's and so on.
It comes down to being comfortable with people you know, and because of that supervisors might trust more and do favours for the guy's they know best.
You have to understand that when we say the UFCW is up the company's ass we are not talking about the average worker, we are talking about the staff reps and other big shots that sell out the members for their own gain.
i am very tired but i want to keep this going because the lies and hypocrites in here need to be talked about.
pants wrote ... "We have just learned that there are drivers at the grove who are junior to myself and others, these junior senority drivers just received top wage,drivers from chatham and fortinos are at full rate with less senority then the drivers who came from london branch, what kind of deal is this I,m very mad because I never seen any paperwork in regards to this,never read in the collective agreement, everythings hush-hush did the union /company believe nobody would find out?The funny thing is we were teamsters in london and so was chatham fortinos was ufcw."
i cant believe you wrote that pants. i want to know some things like what is "junior senority". is that what happens after the bongs are done. drivers from chatham (teamsters) and drivers from fortinos (ufcw) are at top rate. doesnt seem like anyone is being favoured there. you say you dont want a 2 tier system because it would be terrible for the guys working with us to be making less money right. then why the hell are you crying about the drivers making top rate. when you are scheduled for top rate you will get it just like i did a couple of years ago. you are a hypocrite, trying to take something away from a brother when it will not change your pay in any way. what a bitch.
pants wrote ... "6 year progression can get people very angry, lets suppose this is true there are union members who are only a few months away from full rate, know they would have to wait another year"
wholly cow. i read the contract document today. tell me pants how the hell did you pull that out of the document. bongs? i read that guys in the progression continue to move to top rate as they are now. the 6 year progression is for guys hired after the announcement of the ajax warehouse being unionized. please read the stuff carefully and ask your mom or wife to help out with this stuff. its not about the ufcw, its not about voting yes or no, its not about that, right now its about reading and understanding. i want the pros to be pros and the cons to be cons. i dont want people like you telling me or anyone else that a pro is a con and a con is a con. read read read read read read and ask if you dont understand.
dougle wrote about the contract document that i read for the first time today also >>>
2. Nothing concrete about Ajax but there is language there for it like a two tier wage which has a 72 month progression starting at 14.00 and a top rate of 18.00 for GW 18.15 for machine operators and 18.30 for reciever/loaders. elimination of the Christmas bonus.
that is true but that is for the tier 2 employees and they are employees hired full time after the announcement that ajax is unionized. christmas bonus stays for all of us current full time employees and any part time employee hired to full time before ajax is announced.
4. Everyone on overtime will become General warehouse. only your seniority will get you an upgrade after shift structure.
that is what we wanted now we got it.
7. WI will start upon the 4th scheduled work day but if the company decides next summer that Ajax is a union shop then it will be upon the 6th scheduled day.
the 6th day is for all employees hired to full time after the announcement of ajax not for all of us current full time employees at the time they announce ajax, we stay on 4th day. we also get 1st day for accident and hospitalization plus ohip premiums it looks like the company has to pay it for us.
8.training supervisors. Instead of unionized trainers.
i think that is what we have now anyway. our trainers are unionized and they will stay that way. i think all that says is that in ajax the head trainer will be a supervisor management just like we have here at maple with that girl jennifer.
Since you are flipping through the toilet paper, why don't you post the part about drivers from the Mill and Maplegrove being able to post into the warehouse with full seniority!
cmartin >>>
this is what i think it says about the drivers. tell me if you agree or not.
(a) on the ratification date drivers begin to accumulate warehouse seniority.
(b) that places them behind every full time warehouse guy.
(c) when if ajax opens up the drivers can use that seniority to post into ajax warehouse. that still leaves them behind every current full time warehouse guy in seniority.
(d) once they are in the warehouse they then can use their seniority for any future job bids. that is the same as the guys who came from the other warehouses to maple grove right.
the drivers are losing their jobs at erin mills in 2 years and that will help them right. they are union brothers right. why are you guys being hypocrites. you are whining about the tier 2 guys in future doing same work as you and not getting paid the same as us but you dont want to do anything to help out the driver brothers. all you guys care about is yourself and nobody else just admit it and stop trying to hide behind some big front.
i also read that this would happen with our maple grove drivers if the company decided in future to close the maple grove transport department.
for me if it means giving the drivers jobs i say yes and if in future they have more seniority than me so be it. they have put in their time. thats called union solidarity thats called brotherhood i think.
now go blow your nose with my toilet paper you are a punk a phony the more you write the more you reveal you care about yourself only.
A few more things before I call it a night Ill.
How many "letter of understanding" do we have in our current contract that were added after ratification, the answer is at least 6.
Are you aware that the union and company can amend our contract without letting us vote on it.
The only time (according to Brian Reid) that a union has to go to it's members for a vote is to change the expiry date.
If you don't believe that a union can amend your contract without a vote just ask some of the people on here who work at the stores.
What I am getting at is this, Doug Mac was 1 of the guy's at the table for MapleGrove, he is strongly stating that we must turn this contract down and work for something better.
My question for you Ill, or anyone else that doesn't think this contract is that bad is this: Do you trust the UFCW to not open this contract and change a few things for the worse once it is ratified, or introduce "letter of understanding #212" a couple of years down the road which would nullify some language or perk that tickles your fancy now?
Perhaps Doug knows something that we don't, something that is not written in the contract,
I for 1 would be more startled if they didn't do it.
If you really believe that you won't get screwed by this union then go right ahead and keep knocking me or edelio or anyone else that does not have that much faith in them, I welcome it!
Whats with the name calling, I though we were trying to keep this civilized?
I think you need a drink to relax 
cmartin >>>
you are getting better. am i making you better, come on i cant handle that.
letters of understanding dont have to be bad do they. tell me of one bad one or more that have hurt us. i am prince charles, all ears.
cmartin >>>
you are right, i apologize. no drink needed to relax. i dont rely on alcohol or drugs for anything. you have me confused with edel ............ sorry i shouldn't say that.
keep it civilized.
Sorry guys,, just got in from hockey. I play with my union bros.(trying to get involved more) Its amazing that all this talk about solidarity , no one has answered the question Dougle posed as to ,why this union has negotiated a 2 tier contract. After they said they wouldn't, thats a CAW gimmick. I just thought I should mention it seeing as we will have to work side by side with these "so-called brothers" who will be earning a paupers wage compared to us tier 1 fatcats. I was under the belief that unions were founded on principles of equality in pay?
....and one more thing to ILL - literation there,,, I will have you know that I rarely drink 
BARBARIANS AT THE GATE...
I HAVE READ THE POSTS AND ALL I SEE IS THE FEAR OF MINDLESS INDIVIDUALS...LOBLAWS LOVE THIS...ARGUMENTS AND NAME CALLING AMONG THE RANKS...
WHY DON`T WE DISCUSS WHAT WE WANT IN A NEW CBA,,,NOT WHAT WE FEAR ON WHAT WE ARE HANDED , BUT , WHAT WE NEED TO STAND TOGETHER AND FIGHT FOR...LETS USE THIS FORUM TO COME UP WITH AMMENDMENTS THAT MATTER TO US AS BROTHERS AND SISTERS...
IF YOU WANT FEAR THEN HERE IT IS...
8 YEAR DEAL PLUS 2 ON OUR CURRANT DEAL...
THATS 10 YEARS...
GET 10000 DOLLARS GROSS IN 8 YEARS...
NET ABOUT 6500...A WEEKS PAY...
YOU TAKE HOME 640.00 A WEEK...500,00 FOR LIVING EXPENSES...INFLATION AT 3 PER CENT A YEAR...AFTER 10 YEARS IT`S 30 PER CENT...30 PER CENT OF 500.00 IS 150.00...
SO NOW YOUR WEEKLY PAY IS STILL 640.00 AND YOUR LIVING EXPENSES IS 650.00
DO THE MATH...HOPE YOU DON`T NEED A CAR REPAIR CAUSE YOU CAN`T AFFORD IT...YOU MIGHT NOT AFFORD TO TAKE THE BUS TO WORK TO GET PAID TO STAY IN THE NEGATIVE...
WE NEED A 3 PER CENT PER YEAR INCREASE IN WAGES TO SUSTANE A LIVING...
REMEMEMBER ONE THING...WE SHOULD BE THE LEADERS IN THIS FIELD...CAW NEGOTIATED A SWEATHEART DEAL WITH A&P 3 YEARS AGO...THIS IS A COMPANY WITH ABOUT 15 PER CENT MARKET SHARE AND THEIR STILL IN BUSINESS...WE HAVE 60 PER CENT OF MARKET SHARE AND ALL WE CAN DO IS SLING MUD AND LIVE IN FEAR...
GROW UP AND BE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR FUTURE ...IF YOU PUT ALL THAT NEGATIVE ENERGY INTO POSITIVE WE JUST MIGHT GET WHAT WE NEED...NOT WHAT WE`RE GIVEN...
SO ATTACK WANT...JUST REMEMBER THAT I SLEEP WELL AT NIGHT,,,DO YOU
WHAT DOES THE UFCW AND THE MAPLE LEAFS HAVE IN COMMON...
THEY BOTH HAVE MEMBERSHIPS THAT THINK THAT THIS IS THE YEAR THAT THEY WIN THE CUP...
MY APOLOGIE TO LEAF FANS...NOT TO UFCW SUPPORTERS...HAHAHAHAHAH
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You make some good points DOTD, I really like the Leaf fan/UFCW fan comparison
I believe we will have a chance to discuss what changes we want made to our CBA, but there is no point in discussing it with the UFCW.
Back before our last union vote the union held a couple of amendment meetings, and as you can guess not 1 of our proposals made it into this contract. I do not think we should waste our time telling them the same crap that we told them over a year and a half ago.
ill uminati Are you the whipping boy for the ufcw?
Hey whipping boy Do you think this is the best u can get contract or you will take anything because you need a paycheque , stand up you idiot don,t u see whipping boy the union said this, maybe the union not in your best interest.
Well Ill the only thing that makes me unhappy at work is the UFCW, and I'm not leaving because I'm unhappy with a service that I'm paying for. I replace or get rid of the service. And since I can't get rid of this service (for now) I will continue to let them know that their service sucks.
And Ill I'm glad to know that you are keeping tabs on me and asking around about me. But if you want the real deal come and see me. Second hand info and all that. Coffee I'll buy? Yes I take time off but it is only when I need to. Like having sick kids, or a babysitter can't make it, or things like that. Also having a working wife complicates things too. I would have thought that a family man like yourself would reconise these kinda things. And working
every Saturday and Sunday you miss things with the kids in school like B-days etc so being able to take a part day off LOA to me is an acceptable and manageable loss.
And since you have reconised that we have "we have a lot of guys working with us who are illiterate" than perhaps one thing that we could ask the Union and the Company to help these people become literate. So that they can "understand that part of the ontario labour relations act (act 69). "
Labour Relations Act
Here's the link so that all can check that nothing is missing.
Ill you do get a guarantee with a new TV it's call a warrenty. last about 1-2 years. Kinda like the only guarantee that the UFCW got for it's members in Mississauga. The membership told the UFCW they want Ajax and that 95% or what ever the official number was willing to walk for it, and the negotation committe came back with a " we are confident that..." it's a laugh. They should be replaced the whole lot, from the Union reps down. They completely ignored what the membership sent them in for.
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that is true but that is for the tier 2 employees and they are employees hired full time after the announcement that ajax is unionized. christmas bonus stays for all of us current full time employees and any part time employee hired to full time before ajax is announced
Isn't it also true that these things also will apply after the company hires another 120 FT? So that the company doen't have to anounce Ajax they just have to hire FT? Would that inclued the WI and the rest of the RE:opening a new facility? And why isn' t that writen within the letter of understanding for us to see?
And this driver thing. Not that I mind that they come in but didn't the UFCW campain that this is what the CAW would do? And that this would be one of the worst things that they would do? And now calling it union solidarity because the UFCW is going to do it.... SICK.
Ill Uminati, I have been trying to piece something together all day, and perhaps you can set my mind at ease?
I think you are a UFCW staff rep pretending to be a regular Joe so we will give you some info without trying to rip your head off.
I think a lot of what you have told us recently is bullshit.
Let me explain....You stated that you have worked at MapleGrove since it opened and that you hit top rate a couple of years ago, you also said that you have never worked with edelio and that you voted for Dave Hutton and you also came from Erin Mills.
The problem with these statements is the fact that edelio, Dave, and myself all work on the same shift, plus if you hit top rate a couple of years ago that would mean you have almost as much seniority as me, but there isn't anyone on our shift from Erin Mills that has been at Maplegrove as long as I have with almost the same seniority.
Couple that with the fact that seem you know an awful lot about what went on in Kitchener many years ago and that tells me you are a ringer, and a sloppy one at that.
If you can provide some satisfactory answers for all of that I'm all ears, if you can't...........PISS OFF!
Supply woes cut Loblaws profits
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"We're the first to admit that the execution of both the restructuring of supply chain and the adoption of a common-systems platform has taken longer and been more disruptive than planned," said president John Lederer.
"These disruptions have affected our performance in the short term. We're not happy about it. We're in the process of resolving it and we'll be a much stronger company as a result."
Additionally, a new third-party-operated general merchandise warehouse and distribution centre for Eastern Canada failed to reach "planned operating efficiency or capacity."
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"We suspect that we will be through this supply chain challenge no later than the second-quarter of 2006," Lederer said.
That sounds like a threat?
THE RESULTS ARE IN: ERINMILLS & SURVYORS VOTED 57% IN FAVOR OF THE CONTRACT.
IDIOTS I TELL YA...
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THE RESULTS ARE IN: ERINMILLS & SURVYORS VOTED 57% IN FAVOR OF THE CONTRACT
Congrats to the UFCW crew, another nail (in this case a spike) in the coffin of institutionalized labor.
All over the US and Canada the leadership is negotiating these kinds of shitty settlements. Workers get the hose and the boys insure the dues keep rolling in; and their big salaries, perks and benefits are intact.
No one in their right mind does contracts this long. And the bonuses a couple of you are so giddy about will only insure you are well behind the inflation game. Finally, two tiered agreements have been destroying labor contracts in the US for twenty plus years; sad to see you are welcoming them with open arms. Please don't claim it is under the guise of some sort of misgiven solidarity ILL UMINATI. In the end, it is just selling out junior brothers and those yet hired to get the meager crumbs this incredibly successful company is willing to throw to the seniors to take it...up the ass.
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The parade will be coming to cambrige, I hope the union will tell its member that they don,t recommend us to accept this deal, and we should go it alone and not be tied in with erin mills deals, I hope everything works out for the brothers at the mill, I hope the company will keep the drivers in the future.
I wish those guy's good luck in the future, they're gunna need it!
57% is a pretty small majority, I wonder who was watching the union count the ballots.......perhaps it was the company?
I hope that the union is proud of what they have done to these guy's and their families, it just goes to show that the fear game can be effective.
Who wants to bet that loblaws announces the new Ajax building will be handed to the UFCW within a week or so, now that they have thier 8 year concessionary contract.
here is a post of mine from back on May 11th, this is just the date I posted it however I said it publically the day Trepanier announced the "uncertainty" with the new facility..........
posted 05-11-2005 07:25 AM
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What we have here,which I have stated before, is a carbon-copy of what transpired during the RCSS debacle. Much like that situation, we have a new facility being built in Ajax which is supposed to be staffed by the closing facility's employees.Same scenario as the RCSS stores which had employees from affected stores going to the new banner.Now, this is where the "concessions trap" comes into play. Loblaws threatens to go third party at the stores unless the UFCW gives in to the "RCSS Appendage".The union cries that if they don't do it,members will lose their jobs otherwise.They do it, without ratification, and the rest is stretched asshole history.
At the warehouses the same ploy is being put into play. The company is threatening third party at the new warehouse.The union is "off the hook" because they can cry about job security again when Loblaws comes to us with a contract. As an added bonus for this little game, Loblaws has third partied the transport division to add to the scare of the warehouse employees. All of this is going on while the majority of the workers have been without a contract since October of '04. I would also like to add that in response to this, our beloved union has not organized ONE SINGLE FUCKING JOB ACTION of any type. In fact, for the entire 4 years I have been a 1000a member, not once has there ever been an organized job action outside of maybe 3 guys on a shift slowing down for a couple of days.
I would love to share with all of you here what we have heard so far on what the company is looking for or what the union is asking for but I can't! For some reason or another, we are told that we cannot be told because that is "bargaining in bad faith". See how much longer that bullshit flies with guys that are going on their 8th month without a contract without even a whisper of what lies ahead in the future. I bet that if you guys in charge keep this uncertainty going , you could probably scare people into taking whatever shite contract you can dream up!
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, I TOLD YOU SO!!!!!!!!!!!!
I do side with what 'Bill Pearson' said. however, as a union member of UFCW as well as a steward in Maple Grove. I and a friend will be making T-shirts and jersey's that say "Have questions about the coming contract? ASK ME!"
I dont really know how effective that will be, but I want the blind voters (young and new) to know exactly what they are voting for in the coming weeks. My plan is not to tell people wich way to vote, but to have them know what they are voting for. Thanks for your time, OH yeah Maplgrove guys that are here in this forum that are interested in wearing a T-shirt, please let me know. I will meet with ya and reveal my identity.
From Ric
I have posted on this website in the past and while I have not written anything much different than other posters here I was banned from posting on some occasions, while those others were and have been allowed to remain. But that is ok I am not going to complain. It was not up to me then nor is it up to me now to interpret the rules here.
The fact is I have not visited this website since, to the best of my recollection, February of 2005.
I visited the site again recently when I heard that the proposed Agreement for Erin Mills and Surveyor Road Distribution Centres was on the site. I was curious to see if it was re-typed onto the site by a poster or if it had been scanned onto the website if that is possible.
I will not be posting here but IF I do it will be as "Keen Observer" so there will be need to try to figure out who it is. Additionally my visits here, as has been the case for a long time now, will be few and far between.
I have my daughter with me for the weekend, but I am taking a few minutes here to come on and address one thing. When I arrived home tonight someone I l know had left me a voice mail saying ... "Ric go visit the MFD website and see what Craig Martin wrote".
So I say to you, please post any and all messages you wish in this forum. Please pose any and all questions you wish of those in this forum.
ALL I ask, and I think it is fair, is that you please leave me out of it.
If you wish to discuss any and all issues of your choice here that's great. If you wish to discuss who might be who, as in trying to figure out who is "pants", or who is "NWO" or who is "thatguy" or who is "dougle" or who is ILLUMINATI or who is "weiser" that is also great.
But again all I am asking is please leave me out of it. You now know who I am and if I post you will know.
Thanks.
Really who cares who who in this forum, We are all union members we all or most work for the grocery giant loblaws I will not come on here and slam the present union ufcw, I,m not going head hunting like some on this site keen observer thanks for the post, know this site can be usefull if used right, it is nice to know that some union members care enough to post on here, Ric people have alot of questions, we at maplegrove will be asked to make a tough decision in the coming weeks yes or no, In my opinon job security a big question the erin mills deal doesn,t offer clear language about job security it does not state that the company will be staffing the ajax facilty with the workers from erin mills, Transport at maplegrove lots or rumours maybe one of staffers could clarify this. Any way this idea of finding out who somebody is is just craxy what are you going to do when you find out, are you going to order a hit whack or what!!!!!!!!!
If i get a t shirt do I get an answer shirt so when the brothers and sisters want to know something i can tell them straight up?? Why not just have a info meeting next week put it all on the table, brian reid and bill v can tell what,s up, I just don,t understand this in a couple of weeks thing
OK Ric, I will withdraw your name from my earlier post, but if you think that I am going to ease up on you after the screw job you guy's did to Erin Mills and the job you're going to try on us at the Grove, you are dead wrong, I will however try and save it for when I am at work and at the MapleGrove meetings later this month........SEE YA THERE!!!!!
pants; the Union will be meeting with the stewerts this week (I believe) to discuss things and educate them on whats going on.
the date for M.G information and vote should be decided this week. Erin Mills, Surveyors, Freemont and E.M Transport has to be done first because there contract has expired.
* I want to get some shirts made up to say "NO ASK ME"
LOL
Peace
P.S Craig maybe you should talk to a few of the comittee members to find out the companys direction at the negotiating meeting before you say all 22 of the comittee members did a "screw-job"
I know not all of them pulled the screw job, but even 1 is too many.
I'm just glad that the guy's representing the Grove stuck to their guns, I must admit that when our committee was put together I was quite pissed that we did not get to vote for them, but it looks like they did a decent job sticking up for us.
Thanks NWO for that I look forward to the meetings as everybody does here, I,m worried as a driver, my worry is they will go third party, ifso ok I,ll find another job, the driving gig I have know is good, One big problem i have is not knowing, I would rather be told that 2008 I,m out of a job ok I know i,ll deal with it, but this allows me to plan ahead to find another good job, with that all said don,t try to sell some suneshine up my a##. Loblaws will have a hard time replacing us drivers, There,s a huge driver,s shortage in our industry, and the baby boomers will be retired soon causing greater shortage, third party trucking will fail at maplegrove I.ll bet on that. good night
,,,,,, me thinks me just peed my pants.........
ps....did you guys call each other and ochestrate this lil msg exchange for the benefit of anyone who may read the crap you guys are totin'? Also, now that we have had at least 2 of the negotiating team post on this thread ,are any of you going to answer the questions I posed earlier? Oh well, don't,, because I know you can't answer them. By the way,,, I love to drink and do drugs,,there,, I said it,,now that that is out there can we get to the answer part of the discussion and forego any more insults? What is this "direction" the company has told you its going in? And in answer to Pants question as to why the wait. The answer is it takes a while to sell a piece of shit, aren't too many takers for poop these days so you have to make sure you have enough time to "spin" your product.
I hope it wasn't from what I said edelio
If you are saying Boston will win the cup,,,then the answer is yes......
It could happen.
Hey Toronto lost again tonight, what a shame
Someone here said that the stewards are meeting this coming week to be informed from the union. I am a steward at MG, I did not hear of this at all. Where did you hear this from?
I was told by your counter-part on noons that B, Reid is going to be telling you guys all the details on Tuesday so you can better explain it to the members.I could easily see you being left out,,only "yes" men need attend.
nwo stated the stewarts would be meeting next week to get the low down on the contract, He said it damm it.!!!!!
yes pants everyone (all stewerts) will be notified about the meeting on Tuesday.
NMO, I don't think our stewards need a meeting with Brian Reid or any other UFCW lowlife to fill their heads with the kinds of shit we've been hearing so far.
Just bring us a copy of the CA so we can rip it up, set it on fire shove it up their ass (where it belongs)
DeMoN
edelio I,m wondering can I get whacked for being on this site? Maybe there should be a disclosure on this site all views expressed are not the views of the ufcw and the ufcw shall not be held responsible for a whack job hit if this shall occur. I would like to know why the hard question have not been answered by the party whips, reminds me of the liberal party of canada, you can,t snow the snowman!!
ill umanti must of been a staff rep hasn,t posted in a few days, maybe cmartin was right ill don,t take the wrong way I don,t care who you are. Nwo can you let us know after your meeting with brian what day where to meet maybe you be able to answer some of the burning questions?!!
After this can we all have a big game of texas hold em poker i,m all in all in!!!!! thanks pants amauter pro poker player, I shall be on tv soon and won,t need to every worry about another contract, come on.
It is stewards, not stewerts.
It is also stupid of the UFCW to even present this insult of a contract to us at the Grove.
Man those meetings are gunna be a blast!
The meeting is not going to be a brain washing thing it is going to be a information session so the stewARDs can answer the questions on the floor.
There is a lot of untrue information going on from guys like "Pasty" (Who ever that is) and other people that dont know the whole story.
good or bad the members should know exactually whats going on.
Sorry about my spelling Craig I will try harder to get to your level.
LMFAO
Mind telling me what false info is being spread out there Lester,I thought I corrected my mistakes.
BTW, "Pasty" is the dumbest nickname I have ever heard!
why why why not lilke have a poker game
NWO. Are you recomending this Contract to your Brothers? Are you going to stand up infront of your brothers and sisters and tell them that this is the best that you all can do?
If so than why. Why is this good for Maplegrove? Why should Maplegrove take this deal?
I can tell you one thing that the UFCW will not be able to "sell" this deal to us. We aren't facing closure, our jobs aren't on the line, nor would the warehouse take a hit for six years for our drivers, sorry guy's. We get nothing substancial but some bonuses that will be taxed to death and a clean up overtime language. As well as a flood of people comming from Erinmills to escape a possiable pink slip because their union couldn't secure Ajax. And to avoid a strike, or what ever, told them that they are confident that by accepting this deal that Ajax would be a 1000A warehouse, and by saying no and possiably striking they would lose it.
Question. If we vote no to this collective agreement does it close the doors for global postings into Maplegrove?
Some people have no clue as to just how idiotic these dumb bonuses really are.
So I have taken the initiative and put it to paper.
I have done a comparison of yearly 1 time bonuses VS. hourly raises, and let me tell ya if anyone thinks that these bonuses are just as good or better then a raise they have to give their heads a shake.
I will make a shit load of copies and hand it out at work. The difference between the 2 is unreal.
WELCOME BACK MY FRIENDS TO THE SHOW THAT NEVER ENDS....THEY ACCEPTED...END OF STORY...
WHAT CHOICES DID THEY REALLY HAVE...NONE...
WHAT CHOICES DO WE HAVE...MANY...WE ARE NOT CLOSING OR MOVING...WE ARE AN OPERATING WAREHOUSE THAT IS THE FLAGSHIP OF LOBLAWS...WE NEED TO BE STRONG AND BAND TOGETHER AS ONE UNIT...
FIRST WE GET THE UFCW OUT OF MAPLEGROVE AND BRING IN A UNION THAT HAS OUR FUTURE BEST INYEREST AT HEART...IF IT BE THE CAW THEN SO BE IT,,,,
I WILL SAY THAT CAW DID NEGOTIATE A GREAT CBA WITH A&P AND THAT IS A GREAT TRACK RECORD...WHAT MORE COULD YOU POSSIBLY WANT FROM YOUR UNION...
TO BE HANDCUFFED FOR THE NEXT 8 YEARS AND TAKE HOME THE SAME PAY THAT YOUR TAKING HOME NOW...OR...A THREE TO FOUR YEAR DEAL WITH WAGE INCREASES AND LANGUAGE BENEFITS THAT WE CAN LIVE WITH...
THIS CURRENT ACCEPTED DEAL DOES NOTHING FOR A WORKING FACILATY LIKE MAPLEGROVE...
WE NEED TO CHANGE UNIONS...INTERJECT SOME INTELLIGENCE AND BRING UPON OUR LIVES A CBA WE CAN BE PROUD OF...BE THE LEADERS OF OUR INDUSTRY NOT THE PUPPETS OF FURTILITY...
UFCW AND THERE WAYS OF HANDLING OUR FUTURE OUT...AND A NEW AND FRESH UNION LIKE CAW IN TO SUSTANE A REASONABLE WAY OF LIVING...
FACT OR FICTION...CAW CAN AND WILL BRING US INTO THE NEXT DECADE...UFCW WILL AND HAVE ALREADY SHOWN US THAT ITS OKAY TO STEP BACK INTO THE LAST DECADE...
PICK ONE...ONE STEP AHEAD...ONE STEP BACK...
ok I got the email about the steward meeting on Tuesday. Can hardly wait.
Looks like pants is right, illuminati was just a bitch boy for the UFCW. Shoulda known from the name right off the bat for starters. The whinning about the rules was a dead giveaway too. Funny, the games they play on people and then they scream unfair when they can't control it.
Ya gotta love the way they are voting this thing piecemeal. Rather than taking a collective stand and flexing their muscle with power of numbers, they are dividing the group and leaving the last man standing the most vulnerable. That should tell the whole story about just what these guys want from ya. Sad.
I was going to take the same tact cm did and compute the bonuses over the life of the agreement. The difference is staggering. Ya gotta love when the braintrust tells you its the same money. If they try and sell that bill of goods, have em put it on the chalk board in front of the stewards. That'll shut em up quick.
I like the way you think DOTD, and the caps lock style of writing is very refreshing
Bill, I thought I was the one that outed Ill Uminati whay does pants get any credit?
Actually cm i think you were but i was too lazy to go back to page four to check. Thanks for the correction. I would hope you also take credit for your expose on the bonuses by posting those totals in the next few days.
Nice work cm.
To be honest BP it really doesn't matter who gets the credit, just as long as those UFCW crooks and their partners in crime LOBLAWS get exposed for what they are.
i'm here just reading everything now. hockey and poker run my weekends boys. sorry i couldnt have spent it with everyone here trading messages.
i noticed some interest in who i am or aint although i dont know why that matters. cant i just be a guy with something to say like thatguy. a lot of paranoid, if thats the word, guys here.
but i do sort of tend to notice that everyone is getting along better.
cmartin you say the proposal contract sucks and has to be voted no and you say there is not much time for us guys at maple grove to read stuff over and make decision so that doesnt make sense to me.
edelio said he doesnt want time because time means the union is going to "spin" everything to us to sell it.
myself i like to have some days to look it over no matter what. so which is it do we need time or dont we.
hey about the stewards because couple of guys say they are stewards. one guy says he got an email telling him about a meeting the other guy is like he doesnt know. why dont you guys figure it out. i want to know why some of you know and some of you dont. if you are going to be our stewards on the shop floor get with it.
more important because i think i read soemthing about this here a few messages ago.
once the referees stop calling all the penalties the big bad boston bruins will take over and win the cup. just watch boys just watch yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa bruins
sorry to have distrubed your sleep edelio. i just notice you are a grizzled vet. was my question to hard to answer or are you just scared to disagree with cmartin aobut the timing of everything.
i gave my answer. i see you admitted everything alright that is good way to go.
boston bruins joe thornton will lead them to the stanley cup
When this debacle first started a little over a week ago, the word from the union was that Maplegrove would be having it's possible meetings and possible vote within a few day's of the Mill accepting the deal, I believe since then they have changed their minds and pushed it to a later date.
This will enable the union to use fear tactics on some of the more gullable workers, but it will also enable some of the not so gullable to reach out and tell the truth about what is going on. I welcome the extra time and plan on using it to our advantage.
Ah, the Illuminated one has returned.Predictable non response to any of my statements or questions. I don't need time to look it over, I have seen it. If you have seen the handout from the Mill meeting I will ask you,,,can't YOU f#### read?
The UFCW's hand will be shown once the stewards get back. If it's a selling tecnique or just an info thing.
Here's the thing. When we turn it down Are we going to try and decertify again?
Or are we going to give into the Promises of the UFCW, that they can do better now because we aren't in the same position as the Mississauga?
Do you think that all the "Soft" votes and drivers will go back to the UFCW banner once the promissing begins again?
What makes people think that the CAW or any union would even touch us agin? With all the trouble that they would get into with the CLC because this time it would be an open raid?
I am glad everyone seems to be holding to the "let's remain civilized" position. I am good with that but let's keep in mind that this forum is well outside the boundaries of the workplace and, regardless of the opinions expressed, be they positive, negative or indifferent, is ridiculously unrepresentative of any specific workplace.
There are forums (places, times) in which questions can asked and answered with respect to any workplace issues, or collective agreements. Understand this is not one of those forums.
I do notice that the exact same opinions are written repeatedly by the same people. It is each person's opinion, meaning it is neither right or wrong. However repeating it over and over does not change the opinion. Everyone read it the first fifty (50) times.
I apologize if my comments follow no particular order.
"cmartin" - No one asked you ease up on me or anyone else. You have the right to attend any meetings, and you have the right to ask any questions at said meetings. I can say, and you can't deny, that over the last eighteen (18) months YOU have seen me, conservatively, approximately one-hundred times, and the number of times you have come at me or to me with any issues that you may have has been ZERO (0). You have no acceptable excuses for that, so please don't try to come up with any. I have been approached or I have approached many members in the warehouse, regardless of where they came from to Maple Grove. You would be amazed at the number of members in Maple Grove that I have personally talked to for one reason or another and actually know something about.
The Freemont and Erin Mills Transport Vote will take place on Wednesday, November 16th.
The Stewards Meeting is INFORMATIONAL. It has to be INFORMATIONAL. Some guys on here read it and yet they still didn't get some things right. For example "cmartin" wrote that he personally was out $950 Christmas Bonus. He is a GW which means he WOULD be out $887.60 In reading the proposal I have no idea how he came to the conclusion that he persoally was out the Christmas Bonus to begin with. To make long story short the SOLE PURPOSE of the meeting is to go through the proposal and have the Stewards understand it, not ask them if they like it, not tell them to like it, simply to have them understand it so that they can answer questions correctly, regardless of whether someone will like it or not.
I hope that answers "dougle's" question. Yes it is an "INFO THING". Further, the Maple Grove Agreement expires on April 15th, 2006. Both sides can commence negotiating on January 15th, 2006.
"Pants" about three (3) years ago one guy on here threatened me in a posted message. I called him at home and gave him my address with directions so he would not get lost on his way to see me. He asked me to meet him at a bar in Kitchener because he had some friends that wanted to talk also. I went alone, and he showed up alone, we had a beer and talked. People get a little excited sometimes but that's ok, they have a right to.
Please go back through my posts Keen and you will see that I corrected myself on the Christmas bonus issue.
And my excuse for not approaching you at work is because I can't stand talking to you, if I have any questions that I need the unions help with I go to D Mac.
The last time I talked to you face to face you tried to convince me that the money the UFCW recieved from Loblaws in the RCSS scam was legit.
I'll bet some of the guy's on here would love to talk to you about that!
Mr. "cmartin" I agree that what you gave me was an excuse. You stated that you can't stand talking to me because, in your words ... "The last time I talked to you face to face you tried to convince me that the money the UFCW recieved from Loblaws in the RCSS scam was legit."
Well, I do recall that, which was about three (3) or four (4) years ago. I did not try to convince you of anything, just as I do not believe you were trying to convince of me anything.
Here is what I recall. You asked some questions with respect to the Education Fund and that led to a brief discussion on the issue inside the meeting room. Then when you left the room I went out in the hall and approached you about your questions.
During our discussion I recall that when I asked you to estimate what it cost to have one (1) Steward away from work for one (1) day of training, your estimate was severely low and no where near what the cost is. It illustrated that you have no idea about what the costs are of training people. Again I did not try to convince you of anything other than to state a fact to you.
During that meeting you made allegations of impropriety against the Presidents of three Local Unions in reference to the Education Fund. Your allegations were without merit, without evidence, irresponsible, and innappropriate. Additionally, They were also made with none of the individuals you falsely accused being present.
As for comment on the Education Fund that "guys on here would love to talk to you about that!", what is the exclamation point for. Any "guys" who want to discuss the Education Fund should do so with the appropriate people.
What does it matter "weather" or not Cmartin came to talk to you or not. Alot of people don't come to see you for various reasons. Bottom line is that the UFCW didn't live up to what they preached to their members who voted for them and you are apart of that Keen, so why should we trust you.
Why do you want this deal for Maplegrove? How about you answer what NWO isn't willing to. If not then please go we don't want to hear about you and what you do Because the majority of us here and reading know all about you
That is a great idea Dougle.
Instead of trying to deflect the issue Keen, tell us why you want us to accept this piece of crap.
At this point what I say or do or don't do is not relevent, but what is very relevent is that you and Brian want us to take an inferior deal.
Hey Keen did Loblaws give you guy's any money for this current contract or was it included in the MILLIONS you got from the RCSS sell out (for training union stewards 
)
What a FU**ING JOKE
Keen Observer, you may want to rethink this one.
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Further, the Maple Grove Agreement expires on April 15th, 2006. Both sides can commence negotiating on January 15th, 2006.
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Because of the displacemant application by the C.A.W. the start and end dates are no longer those dates but now are July 23 as per the arguments in the last displacement application.
DeMoN
That means that the UFCW would have to come back to the membership and ask for a vote to reopen the CA early in order to negotiate early, like in January. April 23rd would be the earliest.
What,s the deal in regards to erin millls transport, What I would like to know is how long the deal ? And is loblaws going third party transport, is this a smoke screen in regards to ajax?
In my opinon Loblaws will pay the price for going third party with its transport, There,s huge driver,s shortage, baby boomers will be retiring ,I spoke with a receiver at loblaws store and he said the outside carriers are huge problem, one driver turned over the carpon of copy of the drivers manifest to prevent the receiver from writing in the times of arrivial and departure, another driver at the same location stuck a piece of paper underneath the carpon copy to prevent times being recorded, The drivers at loblaws are with in the industry standard pay wise, There is such a shortage for drivers right know company in ontario are offering sign on bonuses even for jobs that bring you home every night. anyway that my 2 cents worth.
Mr pants, You are correct. There is a shortage of drivers in Canada. There are currently some of the larger transportation companies, that are offering to help people from other countries like england, scottland, etc, to get their green card in Canada and inexchange they would sign a contract for I believe 2 years and work for that company.
But see from LCE business point of view by going third party they don't have to deal with staffing, insurance, maintance, it becomes someone elses problem. Big savings.
"dougle" I posted two (2) messages and neither was inappropriate or talked about what "I do" or "don't do" as you go on about. Neither message attacked anyone on any level. I gave some information that some had enquired about and I addressed an issue that "cmartin" raised. Your message is a veiled personal attack again and yet you say you want that to stop and for this to be a discussion forum. I would say then you should practice what you preach brother. Thanks.
Anyway, "dougle" to answer your question, which "cmartin" also asked, in both your previous posts, please ask your Stewards and you will have your answer. Maybe you will be surprised.
To "cmartin" I will say IF you have evidence to support your allegations of impropriety on behalf of anyone with respect to the Education Fund, then why are you not acting on it? I suppose it is extremely easy to accuse people of things when one knows there are no repercussions, it is altogether different when there are repercussions.
While respecting what "DeMoN" states, the expiry date of the Collective Agreement and the date at which bargaining can commence is I still believe April 15, 2006 and January 15, 2006 respectively. If I am wrong, then like everyone else, it won't be the first time nor will it be the last.
I think that while some may agree and some may disagree, and this is just a suggestion, it might be interesting to see what those posting in this forum thread think might be the possible reactions of the company to the possible outcomes of the Maple Grove vote. We know what happens if the vote result is yes. So, setting that aside, how do you think the company would react if Maple Grove voted 55% no and how do you think the company would react if Maple Grove voted 75% no.
Keep in mind that we can discuss "possible" reactions by the company, be they favourable to us or not favourable to us. The key is whether we feel something is "possible".
Thanks.
Sorry Dougle I have been away what question do you want me to answer or did someone already answer it for you?
R.I.P. Eddie Guerrero 1967-2005
Oh how I wish I could prove what many people believe Keen, unfortunatly I very much doubt that the UFCW and Loblaws left a paper trail saying that the millions of dollars the company gave to the union was in fact a pay-off.
It is very hard to prove whether or not money that is supposed to be used for "training and education" is used for just that. I suppose the only way we will ever find out is if someone like Hugh Finnamore comes forward from the union and tells everyone the truth.
My fingers are crossed
"cmartin" I call them as I see them, and just as I said what I said earlier about your previous post I can say that your latest post is more appropriate.
There is nothing wrong with having theories about whatever you might have theories about, but that is far different than making direct allegations without any proof.
When you say "millions of dollars" do you mean that or are you referring to what you stated to me a couple of years ago and have posted on here, that being $1.5M divided equally amongst three (3) locals.
As I said to you back then and can still say today, the cost of training Stewards and Health and Safety Representatives is significant, and it adds up very quickly. I don't think you can disagree with that.
As for Hugh Finnamore, neither one of us will ever know the true story of Hugh Finnamore. I know some of it but I don't know all of it. Just so you know, when I say I know some of it, that is not hearsay that I am referring to. I have read some very interesting accounts of part of the whole story, most of it written by Hugh himself. Should I find it again, and I am going to have a look sometime, I am more than happy to let you know where you can find it and read it for yourself.
I think you could find some of Hugh's stuff right here Keen.
So the steward meeting was today, or atleast what I thought was going to be a "steward" meeting for the Stewards of MG. Instead people who attended were stewards from E.M's and the Negotiating com. who faught hard for this wonderful deal. for the 5-6 hours that we were there we went over the contract page by page (exactly what we already knew) and had a rather large discusion (again answers that we already knew) Once again there were alot of "IF'S" and "I FEEL'S" that made me feel uncomfortable about this contract coming to M.G.
Please, do share Mr. Pants...... I imagine that the other branch stewards were there because it was being fully explained to them for the first time also. So what made you feel uneasy about what was presented? I know you will share it with us at work tomorrow, but for those who do not have the luxury of being on your shift, do tell!
ps...did they reveal the mystery of the company's future plans that makes this deal good for the Grove?
An interesting quote from the member of the negotiating committee:
"I think that while some may agree and some may disagree, and this is just a suggestion, it might be interesting to see what those posting in this forum thread think might be the possible reactions of the company to the possible outcomes of the Maple Grove vote. We know what happens if the vote result is yes. So, setting that aside, how do you think the company would react if Maple Grove voted 55% no and how do you think the company would react if Maple Grove voted 75% no.
Keep in mind that we can discuss "possible" reactions by the company, be they favourable to us or not favourable to us. The key is whether we feel something is "possible".
Thanks."
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,hmmmmmm maybe its all the drugs , but was something just insinuated there? Possibly the seeds of fear being implanted in our sub-conscience to divert any acts of.............no,,,,it's the drugs. 
Here you go NWO, and Keen.
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Why do you want this deal for Maplegrove?
Are you recomending this Contract to your Brothers? Are you going to stand up infront of your brothers and sisters and tell them that this is the best that you all can do?
If so than why. Why is this good for Maplegrove? Why should Maplegrove take this deal?
If we vote no to this collective agreement does it close the doors for global postings into Maplegrove?
Isn't it also true that these things also will apply after the company hires another 120 FT? So that the company doen't have to anounce Ajax they just have to hire FT? Would that inclued the WI and the rest of the RE:opening a new facility? And why isn' t that writen within the letter of understanding for us to see?
And this driver thing. Not that I mind that they come in but didn't the UFCW campain that this is what the CAW would do? And that this would be one of the worst things that they would do? And now calling it union solidarity?
I was told by a very reliable source that out of the whole group of brainiacs representing the different DC's, only 2 guy's showed their displeasure with this stupid contract (Hint: both of them represented Maplegrove).
I have a question for Keen O and NWO.
When we turn down the contract at Maplegrove, what is the UFCW's plan B, what is the first move going to be, eg. are there going to be amendment meetings, are we going to nominate and vote for our own negotiating committee, or will the UFCW just stick it's head in the sand and do nothing?
Let me try this one on for size and see the response i get from Keen, ill and NWO. There are others asking you for better clarification on Maple Grove and their contract, but let me take it to the next level.
For starters, i don't hate the UFCW. I resent their failures and their ridiculous salaries and lavish lifestyles. I hate the bad decisions they have made over the years, and i could list a hundred of them.
I won't, because this question is about the future. Do you guys honestly see this 8 year deal as being good for the membership; for organized labor and workers as a whole?
The problem is we are dieing and agreements like these are just another spike in the coffin. Why would workers want to be union if the what they get is concessionary agreements?
For those of you who remember, the reason for the merger with the meat cutters was to give us the collective strength of a million plus members. It was to insure we had the size to take on massive employers who did business across North America.
Yet as we speak, the International still allows employers to divide workers by plants or locals and crush them at will. How does that make any sense?
Come on guys step up and splain this, or at least try and defend these actions...becuase from here, they just look like a union whose primary function is to keep dues coming in.
Just a quick note to all involved and interested in the UFCW's attempt to smooth over a deal at Erin Mills.
There were approximately 417 voters only for the new contract offer. That is approximately half of who should have turned out. Considering we shold have seen a turnout of near 800 people, this is poor. With a marginal victory (57% - 43%) how can anyone in this local (UFCW 1000A) feel they were best represented? And to others who feel that they at least have a guaranteed job for the term of the contract, there is a clause in there stipulating that the company can open it up after two years. Therefore, all those who voted yes at the ratification vote have now assured themselves and their brothers/sisters that they have guaranteed work for ONLY TWO YEARS!!!!
I will continue with this question. Who is hurting us as high payed union workers more? The union representatives and their dedication to attaining union dues no matter the cost (ie: Ajax facility) or the people out there in the world who are earning half of what we make to do the same job?
Should we not be ostricizing our governments over what they have done over time to reduce wages and create hardship?
It's kind of sad really. When emailed, Jack Layton responded with the "due to the amount of correspondence, I cannot go further into detail......." I thought NDP was pro - union, as their heritage and history should indicate?
Paul Martin's office simply delegated the issue to several cabinet ministers, including Belinda Stronach, the same woman who was cited in the Toronto Sun as seeking a reputable mate.
What kind of a cluster fuck have we created for ourselves here? How can we reverse this misfortune and get wages going higher again? And most importantly, which of the three gimps in Ottawa are going to do this for us?
The Freemont DC voted on this piece of crap today. No word on the outcome yet but it is expected they will accept it 
And talking to our stewards today about the meeting they had yesterday with the union, it was more or less a waste of time.
Still waiting for the UFCW troops to step up and answer the questions boys. One of the biggest problems for the gang from the ufcw is their inability to be able to articulate their positions. They love to pontificate, they have little ability to defend or discuss.
I really expected more from you illuminati. As a staffer, you should have some communication skills...and the good news is, it's still during the workweek. You've already demostrated you won't or aren't interested in doing anything to help workers on the weekend. Too funny.
You may be waiting awhile Bill for answers. However when is the vote at Maplegrove, A steward had said there will be shift meetings, my question is will there be an info meeting followed by a vote? next week???
Perhaps the reason for no answers is because they are rethinking their position, cause of all the negativity comming out of the Grove. If so what a joke. Recomend it to Mississauga who had over 1500 members in strike position with a 95%strike mandate, to come to the Grove and probably tell us that it is a piece of $h!t and that we could do better. Wait for the "Give us untill ______ we can get you something better."
The following is meant for Bill Pearson and no one else. The comments here are NOT intended for anyone else and do not reflect my opinions of anyone else. This is all about Bill and only Bill.
To BILL PEARSON:
I am sure that you are possibly a good friend, a good son, a good brother, a good father, and a good husband.
However when it comes to knowing me, you would have to admit that you are not good at all. Your message was addressed to the wrong screen ID but I know it was meant for me. Maybe you need to go back and get clued in to what has taken place.
You stated:
"You've already demostrated you won't or aren't interested in doing anything to help workers on the weekend. Too funny."
Please enlighten me how I demonstrated that in this message forum. That is a completely assinine statement based on absolutely nothing.
You need to get something inside your head ... your level of insignificance to me is infinite.
You need to go to a good place ... I suggest AWAY.
And that is the LAST time I will comment on you or anything you say. From this point forward any comments you make are to be as you are ... persona non grata.
Take Care Spanky, Sparky, Poindexter, Larry, Ebb, or any other moniker you have been referred to as at one time or another. Don't let that pocket protecter hit you on the way out.
Now that we have taken out the trash I will try to answer some questions that have been posed here by some who actually work at Maple Grove.
I do so of my own free will and under absolutely no obligation, and no particular order.
1. The Expiry Date for the Maple Grove Collective Agreement is, as it has always been, April 15th, 2006. That means negotiating may commence on January 15th, 2006 if the need arises.
DeMoN actually sat down at his computer and took the time to write as follows:
"Because of the displacemant application by the C.A.W. the start and end dates are no longer those dates but now are July 23 as per the arguments in the last displacement application."
Please understand that the CAW won absolutely nothing at the Labour Board in 2002. They were summarily DISMISSED on every matter before the board. However, please let us know how many days of the Hearings you attended and remember that zero is not a number for this exercise.
2. The statement above (1.) also serves to answer a question posed by Dougle .
3. Dougle you are better to ask yourself why should you take this deal, why should you not take this deal. Think it through then make your decision which is your business not mine. Conversely, you have already made your decision so there is absolutely no need to try to convince you otherwise and so I haven't and so I won't. It would be a waste of both our time. If you have questions about certain items or need clarification then that is altogether different, understandable and worthwhile to discuss.
4. Dougle wrote:
Isn't it also true that these things also will apply after the company hires another 120 FT? So that the company doen't have to anounce Ajax they just have to hire FT?
I am not sure why you have misinterpreted that section. It disappoints me actually because I thought with the interest you have shown in the document you would have read it and understood some sections better.
The way it is agreed upon is as follows: The next one-hundred-and-twenty (120) employees converted to full-time will be on the first tier. That is a MINIMUM. Over and above that aforementioned number, any employees converted to full-time before the announcement of Ajax will also be on the first tier. I would suggest that it is quite possible that every current part-time employee in the warehouse division who is seeking to be converted to full-time and meets the criteria will be prior to the announcement of Ajax.
5. The Transport Department coming into the warehouse issue.
Our Transport brothers will commence to accumulate seniority at the date of ratification. That places them behind in seniority of EVERY full-time employee at the date of ratification. Therefor they could not successfully outbid any current full-time employee for any job. Once a Transport employee was successful in obtaining a job in the warehouse he could then use his full seniority which includes his seniority as a transport employee. All of this is only possible IF the company closes the Transport Department.
Realistically how many people are we talking about who would want to come into the warehouse and start over. Additionally, if we are to believe that everyone hates a two-tier system because we would have brothers working alongside us making four (4) dollars less per hour than us, then why is it we have such a problem with reaching out to help our Transport brothers. That smells of hypocrisy.
Lastly on this issue, it is very different to what the CAW practiced at other facilities. The situation there was that the Transport employees could use their full seniority to bid for jobs in the warehouse once a year, and then could move back out to Transport. Hence the term, fairweather driver.
6. cmartin wrote:
I was told by a very reliable source that out of the whole group of brainiacs representing the different DC's, only 2 guy's showed their displeasure with this stupid contract (Hint: both of them represented Maplegrove).
Hint: You are flat wrong in that statement and I guarantee you 100% your source is not very reliable. Also, in your statement lies a question, and time will answer your question brother. I don't like to say anything for which or about which I cannot produce absolute proof; and so as I said time will answer your question.
7. cmartin wrote:
When we turn down the contract at Maplegrove, what is the UFCW's plan B, what is the first move going to be
I would say that the first move is dependent on the outcome of the vote. A vote that results in a yes is self explanatory. However, for example, if the result was 55% no versus 75% no that alone changes what the plan might be.
Beyond saying that, I have to believe that you would agree that this forum is not the place for you to discover that answer.
Thanks.
Hey keeno buddy, ya you the one with the shit on your face...why in the world would you come on this site and try to prove just how stupid you are?
My reference was to illuminati who on 11/13/05 at 11:32 said the following:
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i'm here just reading everything now. hockey and poker run my weekends boys. sorry i couldnt have spent it with everyone here trading messages.
The only thing i was doing with you ko was asking you questions regarding the future of organized labor when the best the ufcw could muster was concessionary agreements.
Here's a clue to help you along: Learn to communicate at a level where you come to understand this isn't about you. Learn to listen, and grasp what people are saying. Frankly you had me believing you had some communication skills, and then you go off on some schoolboy rant when it wasn't even directed at you. Pathetic; you'll make it big with the ufcw someday, it's vintage biz union communication skills.
For a guy who said he wasn't going to post here but once in a blue moon, you sure are letting the shit flow pretty steady!
You personally attack someone you don't know, because you believe he questioned your priorities during these "negotiations", and the fact that he does not know you, are you hypocrite or what?
I have no reason to believe that there were more then 2 guy's at the talks that walked away very disapointed in your efforts, especially since this contract was dragged out for almost a year.
Just answer 1 question for me, will we at Maplegrove have a chance to nominate and vote for our own committee?
Mr. Pearson:
One last thing. Perhaps it was you who misunderstood something. When I said that your comment was directed at me, it was. cmartin had incorrectly stated here that I was "ill uminati". He recanted that comment for which I believe I thanked him.
So again, you wrote:
"You've already demostrated you won't or aren't interested in doing anything to help workers on the weekend. Too funny."
You make a comment like that and then expect it to just slide. Then you act like you never said it.
Anyway enough of that. It is a waste of time. No need to reply, just proceed as you wish here.
cmartin:
You need to realize that the reason this forum is not more active with more posters and therefore more viewpoints is that some people here, including the moderators, try to set the rules but they set them different for themselves. At least when I make a "personal attack" as you say I can admit it. Others here do it and never acknowledge it, ever.
I could create my own message forum on the internet and have more active posters then this forum in a matter of days.
It has been the same small number of guys posting here for four (4) years on a regular basis. So if this forum is a small as it is then those regulars need to take the blame for not attracting and retaining more people here. You can disagree and we will agree to disagree.
As for my other posted message I addressed several items that you and dougle asked so I don't see why you even have issue with that. I didn't ask you to like it or hate it, however I did address your questions.
I addressed the following:
1. "The Expiry Date"
2. "Why should I take this deal"
3. "The 120 PT to FT issue"
4. "Transport Drivers"
5. "Plan B as you called it"
Also, you stated in your previous post:
I have no reason to believe that there were more then 2 guy's at the talks that walked away very disapointed in your efforts, especially since this contract was dragged out for almost a year.
I respect what you are saying there cmartin but I will repeat what I already said to that comment.
Hint: You are flat wrong in that statement and I guarantee you 100% your source is not very reliable. Also, in your statement lies a question, and time will answer your question brother. I don't like to say anything for which or about which I cannot produce absolute proof; and so as I said time will answer your question.
By the way I don't have to cross my fingers on that one. I KNOW it will come to be.
Finally you asked about "would you have a chance to nominate and vote for our own committee"
While my input may be asked for it is not my decision but I do believe that if the Maple Grove vote resulted in a significant no to where "new" negotiations were necessary then yes I would expect that there would be an election for a negotiating committee, and at the very least an election from among the Stewards, who were elected by their respective shifts.
If it is wide open I will nominate you. The rest is up to you.
So to answer my question, no we will not get to nominate and vote on a committee, why would we since we couldn't the last time. Not a chance in hell would the UFCW risk having a bunch of pro CAW guy's get voted on to the committee.
I guess it I asked a stupid question and should have known better 
What the fuck are you babbling about keen observer (too funny btw). I never thought you were illuminati. My comments were directed to him and for his remarks about poker and hockey taking up his weekend.
On the other hand, my questions were clearly for you, nwo and illuminati to respond to. Your pissy comments and the crap about somehow connecting me to others assessments of who is whom is pure foolishness on your part.
Can someone recap on this forum the details of your contract or is it the same offer as the Erin Mills contract? There are alot of store level members that surf this website and are very interested to see what we can expect from the backroom deals from the company and the so called union that steals our dues every week.
Thanks
cmartin:
You asked a fair question and I answered it. How do you come up with that conclusion from what I wrote.
I wrote:
... I do believe that if the Maple Grove vote resulted in a significant no to where "new" negotiations were necessary then yes I would expect that there would be an election for a negotiating committee, and at the very least an election from among the Stewards, who were elected by their respective shifts.
I don't see anything wrong with, for example, an election from the Steward pool. After all they were elected to represent their shifts every day.
Again how you come up with the conclusion you did is confusing. There have been two (2) departments and at least six (6) primary Stewards in the building for a long time now. The present Stewards were all elected. No one has ever been scared of who was elected regardless of where they came from to Maple Grove. You have short memory. Recall the summer of 2004 Doug was away from the business for at least three (3) months. I selected Steve V to fill in for him at that time and he himself will tell you we worked just fine together and I included him in many things. And where did Steve V come from. Exactly. Additionally I have included Greg L in a few things, and where did he come from. Exactly. Furthermore I was ok with something Darin C wanted to do with respect to the Grocery Afternoons Steward issue, and where did he come from. Exactly.
It sounds like you want to be on the negotiating committee. You have had several opportunities to run for Steward on your shift but you have NEVER run. Maybe you have your reasons I don't know. I ran for Steward first chance I got and I only had one (1) month in as a full-time employee. The result was 65 - 2 (one of the other nominees and his son). By the way we all hate two tier system right. Well when I was a part-time employee all of us part-time employees were treated like second class citizens by the full-time employees ... but we hate two tier system right.
LETS SEE IF I GET THIS STRAIGHT...STEVE WICKHAM WAS A UFCW STEWART...THEN HE CROSSED OVER TO BECOME A CAW SUPPORTER...IN FACT HE RESIGNED HIS UFCW STEWARDSHIP...THEN HE STOPPED BEING A CAW SUPPORTER AND WAS PUT ON THE UFCW NEGOTIATING COMMITEE...I DON`T REMEMBER A VOTE FOR A NEGOTIATING COMMITEE NOR DID I EVER SEE WICKHAMS NAME ON ANY BALLOT...HOW DID THIS COME ABOUT...MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE UFCW USES IT`S STEWARTS AS THE NEGOTIATING COMMITEE...STEVE IS NOT A STEWART ANY MORE...YET HE IS A COMMITEE MEMBER...THIS IS NOT OFFENSE TO STEVE...JUST THE FACTS,,,
You have your Steve's mixed up
This is all way to messed up. Most of the people here that are posting are in fact UFCW members. However, still remain to fight over very stupid shit. I understand the issue that is being talked about here, hell I have 120 people asking me about it every day. This 'fighting' between UFCW members is ONE way we will NOT get what we want from the fuckin company. Instead of kissing and making up, you all chose to sit here and throw names and 'the past' around. If the UFCW gave as much interest in they're members as you people here do of the new contract. We'd be better off. People like Ric, Brian and Mr. Corpron are NOT our UNION...The people who are on the damn floors assembling, forking, loading and receiving are the UNION....Stop bickering back and forth and get to that damn office in Woodbridge and do something with the questions and believes that you have posted here. Get VOTED onto that Commitee with the same gungho attitude you post here and try to make a damn difference.
Signed: one of the VOTED FOR stewards at Maplegrove. HAVE A GREAT DAY!
Hey guys don,t worry about us truck drivers coming into the warehouse, we are truck drivers who enjoy driving, furthermore we would bankrupt the company with wsib claims, can you imagine a guy who sat in his truck for 15 years and now he going to start picking on midnights in the freezer on weekends, they better hire a couple of nurses if we come over to the warehouse!!! I see know one can tell me when we are voting or having a info meeting hmmmmmmmmmm!!! I wonder what there thinking?
Ric, the union steward on my shift that replaced Dan P was not elected into that position!
He was a back-up steward in a different department. I asked Doug if we were going to have elections to replace Dan and I was told yes, then I told Doug that I wanted to run for that position, and a bunch of months later I find out that the spot has been filled.
Not to mention that Doug himself was never elected into his position.
Keen,
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I would suggest that it is quite possible that every current part-time employee in the warehouse division who is seeking to be converted to full-time and meets the criteria will be prior to the announcement of Ajax.
Lets not suggest. lets have the facts is it this way or not.
And you didn't answer my questions
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Are you recomending this Contract to your Brothers? Are you going to stand up infront of your brothers and sisters and tell them that this is the best that you all can do?
If so than why. Why is this good for Maplegrove? Why should Maplegrove take this deal?
Instead you deflected. Letting be know that I have to make my own mind etc etc. As a Rep in your opinion.....you to NWO and anyone else posting here that was on that negotiation committee
You also missed
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If we vote no to this collective agreement does it close the doors for global postings into Maplegrove?
We can wait....
That Guy I agree with you...
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This 'fighting' between UFCW members is ONE way we will NOT get what we want from the fuckin company.
However the fighting here is only between us and our "Rep" It would be fair to say that with the release of this proposal our brothers and sisters that have been arguing for the last couple of years are starting to come together. Even to the point where appoligies have been said.
People like Ric Brian etc... unfortunitly are apart of this union and have the power to mess with us weither we like it or not. When it says in the CA that we have now ".....if the union and company agree....." thats them. The problem is that they get no input from their members except for those that they know, who normally kiss their a$$ and tell them what they want to hear.
They make deals, agreements etc etc that they feel are in the "best interest" of the membership without our input. RCSS, not a decision of it's membership but one that was made by One person asking the memberships committee members to make that same decision.
Dougle,
you are absolutly right. Maybe yesterday I went a little to far saying all union members. however I see the unity starting to form on the floor too, but I dont think it is happening fast enough. I guess we'll see come vote time.
Dougle wrote:
"Lets not suggest. Lets have the facts is it this way or not"
You made the above statement using half of what I had stated. You have had the proposed contract in your possession for almost two (2) weeks why can't you comprehend that simple clause. I don't even know why you are still asking to have a question answered that is black and white in the proposed contract. So, here is what I said in its entirety.
"The next one-hundred-and-twenty (120) employees converted to full-time will be on the first tier. That is a MINIMUM. Over and above that aforementioned number, any employees converted to full-time before the announcement of Ajax will also be on the first tier. I would suggest that it is quite possible that every current part-time employee in the warehouse division who is seeking to be converted to full-time and meets the criteria will be prior to the announcement of Ajax."
The FACT remains as per the proposed contract that a MINIMUM of 120 will be converted to full-time. What I "suggest" is my opinion based on the recent history of full-time hires.
Please let me know if you still cannot understand that.
As for some other statements you made, please understand that there were shift meetings, a General Meeting, and then the vote took place for the Mississauga warehouses as their Agreement(s) had expired. The same process will take place for Maple Grove. Let that process play out. Keep in mind the Maple Grove Agreement expires on April 15, 2006.
Dougle, please understand that I will not tell you what to do. You have made up your mind. Discussions are best reserved for those who seek answers and interpretations in order to then make a decision. Again you have already made up your mind so there is no need to tell you what to do or to change your mind. If I was forecasting the outcome of a vote then I have you as a NO. I respect that you have already made your decision so please respect that others can also make their own decisions on any of these issues.
To answer another of your questions. If Maple Grove goes on their own so to speak, then yes the door to Global Postings is closed. If we are to believe that we all want solidarity and unity and brotherhood and opportunities and options, I personally would prefer to have the portability option as opposed to not having it. I personally cannot understand the thinking that ... "I will never leave Maple Grove, I will never move from Tri-City area, I never want anyone to have the opportunity to post into Maple Grove". That type of mentality will always come back to hurt us at some point.
Remember it is supposed to be Solidarity and Seniority NOT Solidarity and Seniority FOR ME.
Also, Dougle there is no "fighting" between us, there is discussion here back and forth, there is difference of opinion, there is some agreement on other issues, that's it. If you want to try to paint things with a certain brush in order to cause unneccessary problems then that is on you brother. Show me where I have attacked you here. Quote me if you can.
Trust me Dougle, I love my job, but understand that it is a thankless job. You know what I mean as you spent some time as a Steward. However I have no complaints. For the record no one has ever ki$$ed my a$$.
And again, you would be surprised at many things if you knew them, however, it is not your business to know those things as the members of Maple Grove who work with you do have the legal right to privacy and confidentiality.
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What I "suggest" is my opinion based on the recent history of full-time hires.
Your Suggestion makes current PT believe that they WILL be hired FT at the first tier, based on your opinion as a Rep. This suggestion could get PT to vote yes to an agreement that doesn't truthfully have it writen in it.
Just like Reid suggesting that if Mississauga signs this agreement that he is (i forget the number lets say) 97% sure that Ajax will be a 1000A warehouse but if they don't sign and possiably strike then they would "probably" lose Ajax. It's a false "selling point" talk facts not suggestions or senerios or not what may or maynot. What IS and what ARE.
I'm not asking you to make up my mind Keen What I'm asking for is YOUR OPINION!!!!!
Opinion:A judgment based on special knowledge and given by an expert: Get it now?
So...
Are you recomending this Contract to your Brothers?
If so than why. Why is this good for Maplegrove? Why should Maplegrove take this deal?
Also I'm not painting anything nor suggesting that you attacked me, but only using the same word "fighting" in the same context that someone else has used it.
And what is?
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And again, you would be surprised at many things if you knew them, however, it is not your business to know those things as the members of Maple Grove who work with you do have the legal right to privacy and confidentiality.
Just to let the Maplegrove people know, Erin Mills has been hearing that either they (Maplegrove) accept the proposed agreement or face warehouse shutdown, forcing the work back to Erin Mills, much like how it worked before Maplegrove opened. Any truth to this and is there anything else anyone else has been hearing?
IMO....Scare tactics. Thats all. And anyone who would believe that needs a backbone. After December is our Produce slow period. They can transfer work to Erinmills to make it very very slow for us but then they would lose a ton of part-time. Not alot of PT would stick around only getting 28 hours a week. Especially those that are looking for FT work. LCE Maplegrove hired 150 PT and I've been told that only 40 remain.
Does anyone know the outcome of erin mills transport and freemont vote? job guarantee for two years however the Ottawa branch has an expiry date in 2009 they signed a longtime deal awhile ago, to bad we could not get the same expiry date as ottawa, The same date would prevent loblaws from shifting the work load to other branches ie: provigo in quebec, probably won,t matter know as erin mills accepted the crappy deal they just shift the work to the mill. One more thing if this such a good deal for maplegrove then the union would of been here bye know getting the deal signed there wouldn,t be the delay we see know.
Pants, Freemont voted 91% for the contract and Erin Mills Drivers voted I think around 67% for it.
I know that the total for all of Mississauga that voted was 65% Yes!
Good luck to them, thanks for that nwo, I would hope the brothers in the warehouse will support the maplegrove drivers we are going to need all the help we can get two year guarantee for driver,s is just not good enough, we need to have more talks with the company to work something out and not wait to 2008 to figure our fate.
What we need to do is negotiate a good severance package for the drivers instead of giving them the option to post into the warehouse.
If Loblaws intends to go 3rd party with the drivers now or 2, 3, 4, or 5 years from now, a very small % of them would even want to come in the warehouse, so why not at least get them a good package.
Portability sucks, and most people do not want it.
Ask around at work and see how many guy's were happy that Erin Mills, Surveyors and Pinebush were able to come to Maplegrove (NOT MANY).
People are tired of getting knocked down the seniority list because it means that it will take that much longer to get a good job, or have a day off on the week-end.
I personally think the only people that should have been allowed to come to Maplegrove were the guy's from Surveyors because a lot of their work is now there, but that's me.
We at Maplegrove are in a much better position to negotiate then any of the other DC's were, so why the hell would we want to accept the same piece of crap that they did?
i am hoping to hear from the maplegrove guy's about your meeting with your union reps on wednesday.
There was a lot of name calling, finger pointing, and mud slinging, then the meetings started
They did not want to answer any questions, so we asked a whole bunch, and in the end Brian Reid admitted that it is not a good contract but that they want us to take it anyway.
He sounded like he just walked out of a Loblaws brain washing session, trying to feed us the lame stories about increased competition and higher costs for the company, it was very very sad.
Most of the meetings ended very quickly with the majority of people walking out.
I think most people at Maplegrove understand that we need our own contract, but there are still some that will do whatever the union wants them to.
I think it's time to throw out these clowns running this union. These guys are really too comfortable with their cushy jobs. I don't see them scaling back their salaries as our quality of pay goes down every contract. I never could understand this union when they come back to the members and make the sales pitch for the company. Loblaws always cries about how high the wages are and the union instead of supporting their members actually agrees with the company. Just look at the wages this union has negotiated for the RCSS stores, don't they have no shame? These morons at the union have it too good, it's definetely time for a major shakeup at the union office.
Just a question!!
Almost everyone here has been talking about wanting a change in the union. May it be no more Brian Reids and Ric P's. or all together a new union.
For the time that I have been at Maplgrove it has always been the same people in the union for us. And I have always heard (from day 1) the people that I work with saying only bad things about those who collect our union dues. Now, if those Brians and Ric's were as bad as people let on to be. Why are they still around? Why have they yet to be removed by the 'majority'? They are good people when they get people out of shit, but assholes when they seem to do something you are against such as negotiate a 'bad deal'. If the deal is so damn bad as you ALL say it is, then there is no worry of it coming to our beloved Maplegrove. Am I wrong????
We can't vote Ric or Brian out. They are FT union. We had no say in their appointment to represent us. Both Brian and Ric has served on the divisional committee, Brian was the president in his time. All the FT warehouse union guy's have worked in a LCE warehouse and has served on that committe.
The only way to get rid of them would be to scream loud enough that the UFCW national to hear. That would mean phone calls e-mails from EVERYONE, not just the usual suspects.
Even when this deal doesn't go through at Maplegrove we will have the same people from the union sitting down with LCE to negotiate for us. They didn't listen to their hand picked negotiation reps from Maplegrove or us the last time what makes you think that they will this time? Out of 90 odd sugestions from their membership only 2 get in. Boot allowance, Bereavement for a grandchild.
The UFCW doesn't function as a union should.
Does a good union, who puts their members before dues, tell their membership to sign a bad deal so that they MAY get a warehouse so that they can have a job after 2 years? And in the same breath tell them that if they don't sign they will lose this warehouse and not have a job after 2 years.
Does a good union recomend a deal then turn around in the same breath and tell us that they know it's a bad deal but they recomend it anyways?
Does a good union tell it's members that it wouldn't be in their best interest to strike because all it would do is hurt and piss off the Company?
Does a good union misslead it's members durring a representation campain? By telling them that it is bad that the other union adopted a two tier wage scale and that they would never do that, but then turn around and recomend that they do. Or say that their dues are the cheapest, then turn around and jack them up twice. They promised better representation, but pulls that representation (stewards, divisional officers and reps) out of the building to go and negotiate. The list could go on.
They need to go. I feel that most people have now seen that light. But it is too late. we had our chance to change. We need a union that will listen to US. However No union belonging to the CLC will touch us now unless we petition the CLC for a vote. And a 70% wouldn't do it it would have to be 90-100%. And good luck trying to find a good union that doesn't belong.
well there it is again, someone complaining about the reps and not doing anything about it, lol...
I am just saying that if you or other people are as interested as you/they seem to be to get rid of the people in question, then its not all that hard to get the job done. I am not saying that I am on the side of wanting to get rid of them, I am just kind of confused as to how two people can stay in a position that NO ONE seems to want them to obtain.
Kind of makes the 'majority' look confused, dont you think?
I bet that at least the company thinks that, they hear all of the shit the people on the floor say about Ric and Brian. How does that make the members look in the companies eyes? Idiots, really.
Do you not quite understand the fact TG that we as a membership do not have the ability to vote Brian or Ric out of their cushy jobs.
The best we could do is sign a petition stating that we don't want them involved at Maplegrove, but the union still doesn't have to do it.
Dougle, I sure as hell agree that the UFCW needs to get the boot from Maplegrove, and you are correct about the problem with the CLC, but this is no time for us to roll over and quit!
We will be in touch with the CLC in a short while to understand exactly what kind of #'s in terms of % we need to get this thing going.
I fully expect you will do all you can on your shift when the time comes
I'm not completely sure that I want to help this time Cmartin. I agree that the UFCW needs to go however I stuck my neck out the last time, and being one of the only "UFCW defectors" , Benidict Arnold so to say, took enough crap because of it. IMO those people who signed a CAW card and voted the other way, those who campained for the UFCW, those who didn't take the time to vote and now complain about the UFCW should be the ones to do the dirty work. I'll wait for them to step up and take some of those knifes out of our backs first. If they want the UFCW gone then start calling, e-mailing the CLC start here....
Ontario Regional Office
Winnie Ng, Director
15 Gervais Drive, Suite 305,
Don Mills, ON M3C 1Y8
Telephone: 416.441.3710
Fax: 416.441.4073
ontario@clc-ctc.ca
I won't hold my breath..........
I hope you don't mean that Dougle.
If we are ever going to get rid of the UFCW we have to forget what happened in the last 2 campaigns. I took quite a beating from some of our co-workers as well but if that is the price I have to pay to affect some positive changes at work, then so be it!
Loblaws stock continued its nosedive to a 52 week low today...
stockhouse chart
For the curious, there is an analyst meeting Wednesday that will be webcast at this link...
http://www.loblaw.com/en/inv_events.html#
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Loblaw Companies Limited
11/28/2005
TORONTO, Nov. 28, 2005 (Canada NewsWire via COMTEX) --
Loblaw Companies Limited will be hosting an investor and analyst meeting on Wednesday November 30, 2005 from 9:00am to 12:30pm.
To access the webcast please visit www.loblaw.com. The playback will be made available one hour after the event at 416-640-1917, passcode 21165032 followed by the number sign, pre-registration will be available.
SOURCE: Loblaw Companies Limited
Geoff Wilson, Senior Vice President, Investor Relations and Public Affairs, (416) 922-2500
Copyright (C) 2005 CNW Group. All rights reserved.
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Loblaws stock continued its nosedive to a 52 week low today...
Which shouldn't be mistaken for profitability or potential or lack thereof. So for the backroom boys it's not a valid reason to cry poor. Stock fluctuation is largely due to shareholder confidence in a company isn't it - catch 22.
Loblaws should take a page from costco - it's motto of equitable and fair employee treatment is just good business bear out in the per employee profit figures.
What a bunch of losers - bigbiz brains my ass! Loblaw goofs are company leaches - pro-bleeders.
Confidence in the company has dwindled because they are having some problems with the 3rd party Harmony road dc.
Last I heard they are atleast 2 weeks behind in their shipments and not getting any better.
This is the reason that I never believed for 1 second that Loblaws will go 3rd party in Ajax.
It is also the reason why Maplegrove is in a good bargaining position right now, Loblaws could not afford it if we went on strike for any amount of time!
Careful everyone
I was told by bushsitter the discussion about Loblaws going 3rd party was not the issue. (Yet this forum is called "Loblaws to go to 3rd party DC's?") Figure that!
Soitis
Loblaws going 3rd party is still an issue, but now that the DC's that it would have the biggest effect on have already voted to accept the company's offer, it is not the primary topic anymore.
Thanks cmartin
I agree. When I wrote my post on November 9, it was and and still is relevant.
Good to see some thinkers in the crowd.
soitis
We are voting on the contract at this very moment.
The last straglers are strolling into the room and marking their ballots with a big NO (hopefully) until the poles close at 11pm.
We will probably know the results in a few hours.
Wish us luck
good luck!
IN CASE ANYONE CHECKING ON THE RESULTS...
GREAT NEWS...
83 PERCENT IN FAVOUR OF TURNING IT DOWN...
START OF A LONG ROAD TO FINALLY BE THE MEMBERSHIP WE SHOULD BE...THIS IS BY NO MEANS A VICTORY...JUST A STATEMENT THAT MAYBE WE ARE STANDING CLOSER TOGETHER...
TIME IS THE ESSENCE,,,IT`S TIME WE BONDED AND BECAME ONE INSTEAD OF DIVIDED AMONGST OURSELEVES,,,BROTHERHOOD...CAN I SAY IT ANY CLEARER
518 NO
103 Yes
83% NO
Excellent work Boys!
can't wait to hear how they'll spin that 'oh, so close' vote!
And that analyst meeting didn't go all too well.
This is very good for us, we are finally starting to come together as a membership.
I was hoping it would be over 75% no, so 83% is great.
It is about time the workers stand up to Loblaws and tell them we won't get pushed around anymore.
83% NO about 600 voted out of 1100
More accurate, if you include everybody and everything considered.
950 to date active employees
They are hiring about 35 a week into the warehouse.
Going into the vote, the number of employes was around 1000. This is a young facility.
There is a large number of Union people who are coming together.
Maple Grove is going to change the direction of the
industry standards.
Loblaws need to pay their workers for being responsible consumers.
Loblaws needs to respect their workers for getting them to NOW!
Loblaws is going to listen to the worker!
Congrats for standing up to the concessionary bargaining gang, its about time someone in the UFCW took a stand.
I am curious, was the leadership and bargaining committee pushing the contract? Usually there is a recommendation for or against; rarely there is a no endorsement either way.
It is especially interesting in that this same kind of crappy package was accepted in other locals and other warehouses...so what gives and how did they spin the passage by others?
The Union wanted us to accept it Bill.
They used scare tactics to get it passed in the other DC's, but it was never going to pass at Maplegrove because half of the workers there already hate the UFCW and this contract just helped our cause.
This is good for maplegrove it time to go it alone and fight for our own deal and rights, Time for the union to stand up for its members and especially for the drivers since the drivers future is unclear we don,t want to go into the warehouse we want to drive and we can compete with any third party out there because we are reliable on time and we show up on saturday nights at 2am to go to work you won,t get that at a third party because they won,t pay enough money drivers tell their company to stick it. glad to see everyone stuck together for a no vote see you in the trenches the fight is not over yet just beginning
2 Things I am going to add to this, first I never saw this contract recommened to us, nor were we told to reject it. It was up to us to decide and we did.
Secondly given the past actions by members to react to the fear of 3rd party and the willingness to accept a 2 tier system to protect the wages of those who are already working, I understand why the compnay thought this would pass.
We have to remember those who go to the table for the company know how resolved those who put them there are to have more money in their pocket, we have to make sure those who go to the table for us know how resolved we are to keep our standard of living for years to come, not only for us but for our fellow future co-workers.
If you never heard Brian Reid say that 19 of the 22 member committee think we should accept the contract, then you were either not listening or not at the meetings.
Would you not expect those who voted to accept it, to recommend it to everyone else?
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Would you not expect those who voted to accept it, to recommend it to everyone else?
Then how do you explain proposed agreements which are brought back to the membership with recommendation for rejection?
There was a meeting where the members from thoose DC's that were in a position to strike were updated as to the lack of progress and they were asked to vote on a strike mandate and they gave them a mandate, now when the actual time to came to vote on the contract and accept versing actually going out on strike came the members at those DC's accepted what was offered.
One of the things I wondered is if we were in the same position where voting no would have resulted in a strike would the vote have been different for us?
We though had the option to turn it down an renegiotiate and that is what we have done. We had to have a chance though to vote on this contract though as it had been accepted by the other wharehouses.
That doesn't answer the question Dan. In reference to the negotiating committee's recommendation, you inferred that it would of course recommend acceptance based on it's vote at the negotiating table. Assumedly the negotiating team vote on whether or not to bring the proposals to the membership - not on actual proposal merit (that explains all the shit they do drag out to the membership)
The other quandry you presented is a whole differnet ball game IMO. Whether or not to hold (or include) a strike vote is entirely in the hands of the negotiating team (and imposed final offer crap, where a union has no option).
I'm of the mind it's generally saved for special occasions - when extra leverage is needed to move people in the right direction (aka fear mongering). So yeah, it most always has an impact on vote outcomes.
My understanding is that there was no strike option in this leg of the screwover - hence ufcw's conundrum - it's tough to pull a rabbit out of the hat when there's no hat and you ate the rabbit at snack time.
No I said it had been accepted at the 3 other DC's and that those who represented those DC's were going to recommend it.
There is a major difference between us at the Grove and those other DC's Loblaws has said they are planning on closing those DC's so how the position they vote from is different from how we vote. Though should not be the case. Loblaws does not come to the table with the thinking that they are dealing with one wharehouse they come with the total company interest we should be doing the same at the end of the day. Not just one building or 2 but all of us in every building.
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Loblaws does not come to the table with the thinking that they are dealing with one wharehouse they come with the total company interest we should be doing the same at the end of the day. Not just one building or 2 but all of us in every building.
Therein lies the problem Dan, and the one that has killed the UFCW membership since the 80's. We built this massive organization (with the merger of the meat cutters and the clerks in 79) to be able to combat these massive national employers. Yet from the outset, we never leveraged the size to our advantage.
All through the 80's meat packers islolated plants, threatened closure and either got concessions or closed the plant. What once was a proud, united Packinghouse union became a splintered self-serving group of folks fighting to keep theirs.
What you saw/are seeing in grocery stores and warehouses are nothing more than the same strategies and the same shitty outcomes. Divide and conquer; the very reason for all of these mergers was allegedly to stop that kind of crap. The locals involved should have been working together to stop Loblaws from picking you off one at a time.
I am still confused...did the negotiating committee recommend this package for acceptance? It was my understanding the majority of them did. Please clarify.
One final note, a number of years ago, the UFCW changed the International constitution. It used to mandate seperate votes for ratification and to strike. A simple majority was needed to pass a contract whereas a strike vote needed two-thirds of the members voting to support it. The constitution was changed to allow a single vote with the same rules applied.
That change has a major impact on how workers vote. Often workers would reject an offer but not vote to strike. Under these terms a yes for the contract meant no to a strike, and a no vote on the contract means you will strike. The goal was to force members to be more decisive but the net was it often resulted in being easier to get a bad settlement passed.
Those who came from other DC's recommended the deal and 3 guys from our building did also.
Like I have said one of the things we have to get out of the heads of people is this is not a referendum on the union it is a contract vote.
One thing we should keep in our new contract is the right to join in any job action taken by the other DC's in the event of closure of DC's and the turning over of their work to 3rd party wharehouses, with out fear of retribution.
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It used to mandate seperate votes for ratification and to strike. A simple majority was needed to pass a contract whereas a strike vote needed two-thirds of the members voting to support it. The constitution was changed to allow a single vote with the same rules applied.
Correct me if I'm mistaken but I think most ufcw locals, at least in canada, utilize separate ballots. All the better to manipulate you with my dear when the ballots are well timed.
Notice how often ufcw uses the lower turnout percentage to offset the higher strike vote percentages to alleviate it's responsibility to honour a strike mandate.
There was no minimum needed to show up just whatever the majority of those who voted wanted.
Dan, If you are the Dan I think you are, why are you making excuses for these chuckle heads after they just made you and every other UFCW supporter look like a bunch of fools.
Despite what you say, this is a referendum on the ability of the UFCW to represent and negotiate for the members of Maplegrove.
Over the last 4 years we were told over and over again how well the UFCW knows how to deal with Loblaws, and how super duper their contracts are, you (if it is you) were one of the guy's trying to sell that little tidbit to your fellow workers, and now you have egg on your face.
I want to know Dan, Did you vote?
Yes I voted and I was against the contract, I told you I would not vote in favour of a two tier contract.
Well done Dan (in not voting for a two tier contract)
If you are a UFCW supporter, you are not a typical UFCW supporter.
Most of them go along with whatever the big boys say.
It's time that those who make up the back bone and muscle of the union put it back to good use.
Can't expect our leaders to stand up to the company men if they have no one standing there to back them up.If companies know that the members will take any deal then they will not listen to those at the table for us.
Are you serious Dan?
I doubt very much that the UFCW leaders have ever stood up to the company in any capacity regardless of how much support they recieved from the members.
The only thing the company has ever heard from the UFCW during their talks is the slurping noise coming from under the table!
come april it will funny to look and laugh at you guys knowing that you are making a lot less money doing the same work because thats whats going to happen to you guys up there. the company will threaten to shut your building down and you guys will all come running back for $17 an hour lol good luck.
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come april it will funny to look and laugh at you guys knowing that you are making a lot less money doing the same work because thats whats going to happen to you guys up there. the company will threaten to shut your building down and you guys will all come running back for $17 an hour lol good luck.
Nice to see our good friend the illuminati is back with us in disguise. Hey dipshit, how about answering the questions i asked you here.
Oh damn, where's my manners? Welcome tmt. What a sorry excuse for a union rep...or do you prefer business agent? Given your biz union mentality, you should be called biz agent.
OOOHHHHH NNNNOOOOO toyz, Not Loblaws shutting us down... What ever will we do? Were will all the work go? How will erinmills perishable do an extra 200,000 pieces a day? How will erinmills grocery do an extra 150,000 a day?
Toyz does this mean that Mississauga will not suport us durring our negotiations? 
Maplegrove is the flagship DC for Loblaws.
We do the most work, we are the most efficient, and we have the largest workforce.
Loblaws has invested over a $100 million into the Maplegrove DC, what the hell makes you think TMT that they are willing to throw all that away just because we didn't accept the first piece of crap they tossed at us.
It would be suicide for Loblaws to close us down, and you know it pal.
ok i dont know who you think i am but im not.
man u must be really paranoid.
lol im a surveyors employee D.T
figure it out
and yes it will be funny and i cant wait to see it happen.
doesnt really matter cost of living up in cambridge is peanuts anyway. you guys will be ok with $17 hr
Why would we get 17 an hour when second tier wages was 18?
If the guys at maplegrove are smart and elect serious and intelligent people guys to go back to the table for them and the membership stays united then there is no reason why we should not see a deal more suited to our needs at the grove.
Well said Dan
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posted by cmartin:
Before talks even began for the new CBA at the Erin Mills DC, Loblaws hinted that they might decide to go with a 3rd party company to staff the new DC being built in Ajax, most people don't believe a word of it since the only other 3rd party venture they have undertaken is a complete failure.
People like myself think it is nothing more then a very transparent negotiating tactic to get the current workers in Erin Mills to accept a bogus deal that will "save jobs", at least that is what the bone-heads at UFCW's idiot central will try and push them into believing.
This whole thing stinks real bad, and me thinks it is only going to get worse.
Any thoughts?
Gents
News Flash
Erin Mills, Surveyor's are closing!!
Freemont soon, we have room at The Falg Ship.
Understand that you guys need Maple Grove.
Don't worry, because we are going to preserve your way of life while improving ours.
Big brother is going to take of its down and out crack hore sister.
Tozzy doo doo please drop by Maple Grove anytime in the coming months. You will see SOLIDARITY! Something that has never been evident in Mississauga.
It has been 4 long years of fighting and division at Maplegrove, but we need to make 2006 the year of solidarity and strength in numbers.
We need to ignore the all of the defeatests who say Loblaws is too powerful for us to take them down a notch, if we can do that, we will be the winners at the end of this mess.
Some people will disagree with me, but I unfortunatly don't believe we can achieve all of our goals as long as we have the UFCW representing us.
We need a fresh start at Maplegrove that will include our own contract, as well as a different union that is not so concerned about their personal relationship with Loblaws.
i understand your point of view that we should all stick together as a union and i agree. the only problem is that when push comes to shove and the company starts with there theats everyone will cave in ive seen it in the past and there is no reason to think that it will change.the fact that there was a no vote to this contract means nothing time will tell what will happen happen. what do you think is going to happen when the company decides not to negotiate anymore or only offers you guys a one year deal? thats when everyone will cave liek they have done in the past
If they choose not to negotiate then we will ask for mediation. If they give us a one year deal we will vote no. If it's there final offer then we strike. We don't want the world just a country or two. We have smart, good and decient brothers and sisters at Maplegrove, and with the proper suport system in place and the right Brothers and sisters educating our membership then we will not cave.
Toz it is no wonder you guy's got humped from the company the way you did, with attitudes like yours you were done for right from the word go!
If every union member accepted the first contract offered from their employers based on threats of closures, we would all be making minimum wage with no benefits.
Grow a bloody spine man!
martin you dont even know me. ask around there is no one in this company with more balls than me. ive stood up against them and won time after time
oh and im not talking about standing up to a dumm ass supervisor, ive stood up to the big goys and told thwm all where to go. check my record bro.
If your so Mighty Toz, then how on earth did you get bamboozeled into voting for that horrible contract?
If you have stood up to the company in the past, why not now, did someone talk you into accepting that contract by playing the fear game?
not really i just dont have faith in any of the employees at surveyors or the mill, and i know that if push came to shove they would cave in the future so might as well take this contract before we end up with worse
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and i know that if push came to shove they would cave in the future so might as well take this contract before we end up with worse
tmt you've been going to too many ufcw union meetings and hanging out with too many over paid lazy ass reps..
MIGHTY TOZ....MORE LIKE ALMIGHTY TOYS...
FIRST YOU COME INTO THIS FORUM ALL SPIT AND VINEGAR ABOUT HOW WERE DOOMED...THEN YOU COME ACROSS TO BE FRIENDLY...YOUR PROFILE SAYS YOUR A CLERK...A WANNA BE MANAGEMENT...YOUR BALLS THAT STOOD UP TO SO MUCH HAVE TURNED OUT TO BE YOUR OWN ADAMS APPLE...DO US SERIOUS POSTERS AND PISS OFF...NOBODY HERE BELIEVES YOU HAVE ANY COMMITMENT TO BROTHERHOOD...YOUR SHALLOW AND VAIN...CRAWL BACK INTO THE HOLE OF SPINLESS FEARING BROTHERS AND SISTERS YOU CAME FROM...
I WOULD NOT BE SO ANGRY IF IN FACT YOU TALKED ABOUT LAUGHING AT US WHEN WERE DOOMED...
I SWEAR TO GOD I HOPE THAT WE GET SUCH A BETTER DEAL ONLY TO SHOVE IT IN YOUR FACE...I`M NOT LIKE THIS , BUT , YOU RUB ME THE WRONG WAY...
YOUR A CLERK...NOTHING MORE AND REALLY MUCH LESS THAN A WORKER...
ENJOY YOUR FUTURE ...IT`S THE ONE THAT HAS THE TAIL BETWEEN LEGS...STAY AWAY AND LET REAL MEN HANDLE THE JOB AT HAND...WHEN WE NEED A BOY...WE`LL CALL UPON YOU...
I was told by someone at work who this mighty toz is, and to nobody's surprize he is near and dear to our good friend Keen Observer.
It also turns out that Illuminati was not a UFCW staff rep, but he was being fed info from Keen Observer who is infact a UFCW staff rep.
My source for this info will of coarse remain nameless for fear of persecution and retaliation by the UFCW and Loblaws
if you wanted to know who i was why didnt you just ask me. ive already made it very clear who i am
didnt brain surgery to figure it out. oh and yes he is a very good friend of mine and probably the only one in this union who knows what they are talking about
hey dick dick or what ever you call yourself i can see your a real man lol. bro dont hide behind dumass names reveal youself. see your the type of person that has to hide behind secret names and talk hush hush at work when nobody is around. your kind of like a rat. when i have something to say i say it and i dont care who is around union managment or fellow employees and ive already revealed who i am i have no fear because i really dont care what anyone thinks i tell it as it is and who ever dont like it can go you know where
I DON`T HIDE WHO I AM...IWOULD SAY THAT 80 PER CENT OF THE POSTERS KNOW WHO I AM...WHAT BOTHERS YOU IS THAT YOU DON`T KNOW WHO I AM...
EVEN IF I TOLD YOU ...YOU COULD NOT COMPREHEND A TRUE BROTHER...YOU WOULD`NT KNOW BROTHERHOOD IF IT FELL ON YOU....YOUR A PUTZ...A FOLLOWER...YOU VOTED YES TO A FUTURE IN WHICH YOU MUST LIVE WITH...CRADLE IT AND HOLD IT DEAR TO YOUR HEART JUST AS A SIMPLE CLERK WOULD DO...
I`M SURE YOUR THE TYPE THAT SEES EVERY BIT OF SUCKING UP YOU CAN MEASURE...CAN I DO THIS FOR YOU...I HAVE AN IDEA . BUT . YOURS IS MUCH BETTER THEN MINE...
WERE DO YOU BUY YOUR KNEE PADS...YOUR SUCH A STAR...HOW CAN I BE YOU...DO YOU HAVE A VIDEO...
ONCE AGAIN...GET LOST...PISS OF....YOUR AN ENIGMA ...YOUR LOWER THAN YOU THINK...I THINK YOU KNOW WHAT I`M TALKING ABOUT...YOUR JUST A CLERK...
One warning - attack the idea not the person! Keep it clean fella's.
17 dollars/hour gee whiz i be able to keep my truck driving job after all! can,t wait, There is a movement within maplegrove to elect the best barginning commitee loblaws has ever seen so fasten your seat belt along as Mr. corpron agrees we are sticking together as one group to fight the good fight
hey dick dock if you live to be 1000 you can never accompish what ive done in 36 years. ask around brother. i live in forest hill toronto, i have 650000 thousand dollar house thats already paid for and a
440 000 thousand dollar house that i rent out top and bottom. i own a bar and everything i make is in my safty deposit box in cash. you see i show up to to work so i can show a lousy income. lol jackass.
if you dont believe ask the guys up there that know me. so bro go back to your trailer and your wife who i will assume is your sister or at least cousin an keep dreaming that 1 day you will lead my life
Hey Toz,,, come visit me at Maplegrove,,,, "I'll be your huckleberry!"
Toz, I do believe that a Mod has already warned you to keep your posts civil, so unless you want to get banned you should listen.
Bravo for your material accomplishments Toz, but some of the worlds most miserable people have what you have, or more.
So you might be able to impress some cougar at your bar with all of your bragging, but I guarantee nobody on here gives a damn
maybe ill come live up ther and buy a whole block of houses and rent them all out to you guys. and that other dummy you threating me?
you do know its not that hard to find out who you are ? i suspect your just a punk who hides behind his computer. i mean who else talks like that . ill be your huckleberry that is so gay what are you in grade 3. am i bothering you guys that much that u must threaten me lol. ask around find out what i used to do for a living and then see if you still wanna throw around your dum threats
Pretty nice to be on WI and make money at other jobs eh Dom?
lol money is the least of my worries
if i had to live of that wi money id be like you
Dom don't start with me I know all about you, see I worked with Jordon during the last campaign here and I work with the Steads.
Now you voted for the contract and it works for you, we have to many issues at the grove that need to be cleared up, which we only do by sticking together.
then if you know so much you would also know that i dont need this job> i barley work 15 hour weeks i leave when ever i can and i take whatever day off i want. i understand that you need to ban together up there but im not happy with the way its being done. there are to many ungreatfull CAW guys there that dont realize that they have what they do because of this union. and STEAD that guy doesnt know his head from his ass. allways talking stupid but never really saying anything and allways talkling when no one is around why hasnt he ever spoken up when thoses who have the power are there listening?
oh and since you say that i was off on WI making money elswhere id be carefull see that slander and ive copied it dummy. do you have proof of this and if so why dont you come forward. step lightly
The turning down of this contract had nothing to do with it being a caw ufcw issue for many of us who have supported the UFCW.
You worked with Joe D and Fleming now they run the show at our house, it comes down to this if they want to keep cracking on us then we nedd more time away and money.
IVE ALLWAYS LIKED SCOTT FLEMING
scott flamer or sausage boy you like this dud? we ran that sorry ass out of the freezer, what a chad's boy.
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ask around find out what i used to do for a living and then see if you still wanna throw around your dum threats
It's a cinch you weren't an English professor at the local high school. This crap is getting old toes, so if you have nothing of value to add, take a hike.
The caw guy's didn't get anything from this union but a hard time. They were comming weither we liked it or not, Ask your Rep and I'm not talking about Ric go a little higher. Lce needed them inorder to make Maplegrove a sucess and to get it up and running faster. They were not about to throw away all that trained man power $$$ for their competition to gather up. We got perks and the company got a divided warehouse in which they could do what needed to be done with no resistance from the work force cause we were to busy fighting with eachother. And a distracted union more worried about losing this building to a representation vote 2X.
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ban together up there but im not happy with the way its being done
It doesn't matter in which way it's being done it's the fact that it is done. It's been a long time comming, and if you've been here instead of getting info from one side and incorrect info at that you would know that it's a good thing.
The UFCW promised us alot and came up way short over the past two years. That's part of the reason why our brothers and sisters want(ed) them gone.
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why hasnt he ever spoken up when thoses who have the power are there listening?
Because most of the time they don't listen... except now... that 83% of us spoke up.
pearson your an ass
maybe i dont want to take a hike. what ya going to do start threating me again lol.
or are you guys going to send me nasty email like youve done in the past to some of my friends which by the way have been saved and copyed.
the problem here is that maybe your trailers that you live in are to cold at nite time and your brains are starting to freeze.
the fact still remains that it doesnt mattert what you turned down right now. when the company starts pushing there weight around and they will you guys can not go on strike or shall i say will not go on stirke because you dont have the balls.
95% of you guys cant even go a week with no pay what are you going to live on the dust bunnys that are collecting under your beds. its a know fact that half you guys dont have more than 100 dollars in the bank and the other half either smoke up or drink their pay cheques away. so whaen it comes down to it you will all put your tail between your legs and take the 17 dollars that will be offered to you come april
Its E. Delio,,,,now that isn't too hard to figure out for you. Your welcome. When you tell people to watch what they say,, you may want to give the same advice to your "friend". He has been spurting off at the Grove about how you are "connected". Is this what we have to look forward to? Mob threats? I am sure the upper echelon of the UFCW brass will be happy to hear who they will be assumed to be affiliated with! Wouldn't want anyone looking into yer million dollar assets and how you came to pay for them would you? Loose lips sink ships. I also belive the comment I made was at least at the grade 5 level. Now, I AM NOT SAYING that you are that type of person but if you are at all familiar with Maplegrove, it doesn't take long for rumours to fly.
is that what my friend says well thats not nice is it
but im not worried brother. the past is the past im retired. oh by the way its closer to 2 million and my wife and i like to have money fights its fun try it sometime
and if your telling me this to scare me didnt work
Thats good to hear, I aint a big guy.As for big assets, 1 singular Gretzky rookie card, a small 172,000 dollar house ,and a beat-up sunfire with 217,000kms on it. You have it so well. Why do you blame us for wanting to get a lil bit o gravy for ourselves?
i dont blame you at all
im just not happy with all those CAW guys bashing the union that brought them in and gave them a raise. now they are trying to get ride of portability meanwhilewe took them in and hounored their seniority im not thinking about myself here because i can move on to other things but what about my brothers at the mill and surveyors should they get screwed or should they have the same options that were made avalable to u guys
I got some news for ya Toz, there are only about 150 guy's here from Kitchener including drivers, and there are a hell of a lot more then 150 people here that think the UFCW is garbage. Most of the people that want to get rid of the UFCW came from UFCW warehouses or off the street, including some of the guy's that used to work with you.
We might not end up with a different union any time soon, but we sure as hell are going to have a better contract then you!
You have to understand our history with portability. Outside of the big money, which i believe we are worth, we have had portability used as a punishing tool against us. First there was the whole "day 1" fiasco, Then you have buildings posting people in who move to jobs in 3 months what some of us have waited for 5 years to get. Righteous or not, you can see how we have this jaded outlook towards it. The threat of our next contract will be the bumping in of those brothers from other warehouses to Maplegrove. Without Ajax secured we are caught in a catch -22.
well the lets bet a months salary on it then
you guys will be lucky to get the same contract as us now that u turned it down. they company has already begun shipping 40 stores back into our buildings and that just the start. they are well prepared for this and if u think that guys at erin mills and surveyors will turn down overtime to help your cause then your very stupid.
edelio
i see what your saying but thats what a union is.
and i wouldnt be worried about ajax my sources have told me its a gaurentee. 110%
and thats not the union telling me thats others that i know that are high up with the company
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pearson your an ass
maybe i dont want to take a hike. what ya going to do start threating me again lol.
Let me help you out toes; If you were trying to say i'm an ass, it should be the derivative of you are which is you're. And as far as threatening you, spare me the drama queen role you seem to love to play.
The guys at the Grove have made a decision to stand up to a company that has abused their workers and insulted the UFCW for the past five years. As a former UFCW president, i am embarassed for the way they have collapsed and left the members falling further behind with every contract they negotiate.
These crappy setlements are driven by the fact the UFCW has to have the dues pour in every month or they are in trouble. I posted this piece on the officers benefit structure so members/workers understood just how damaging these massive increases are to their future.
So instead of coming here and pissing on people, you should be saluting them for having the courage to stand and fight rather than running and hiding. The downward spiral of workers has to stop and it's a cinch it wasn't you or your co-workers who were willing to put it all on the line.
One last thing toes; print out the article i posted and bring it to your buddies at the UFCW. Tell them to read it an ask them if it is true. If they say no, ask them to craft (write) a rebuttal for you to it and post it here, i'll be waiting.
"and if u think that guys at erin mills and surveyors will turn down overtime to help your cause then your very stupid."
I will say that while you guys were without a contract, the OT at maplegrove was unbelieveable! Many people maxed out there weekly allowances on a regular basis. It was a given that you could work 60 anytime you wanted. Kinda disgusted me.
oh boy big boy pearson has spoken lol what a joke you are. i mean what is it that u think you have accomplished besides digging a hole for yourself witch u might want to consider crawling into.
i mean your the man uve done so much NOT
and its TOZ not toes .
oh and you did threaten me but hey thats life right
i mean if you were a real man u would do it in person
like i said IF
edelio
these are the people we work with bro get used to it and they are the same people that will sell you out in the future remember what im saying
It is slow in progress but I believe the majority of people at Maplegrove are starting to come together as a membership.
Just the other day we had our first work stoppage (from a decent amount of people) that were pissed about the company hauling guy's in the office for standards in our deli/fresh meat area, which is now run by voice recognition.
That is something you never would have seen even a year ago, and it makes me very optimistic about our future, including our up coming contract talks.
There are still too many guy's at work that can't be trusted to do the right thing in terms of brotherhood and solidarity, but it is getting better, and our 83% no vote on this crappy contract is proof of that.
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oh and you did threaten me but hey thats life right i mean if you were a real man u would do it in person like i said IF
What in the world are you talking about mighty toes? How, when and where did i threaten you? Please enlighten me so we don't have to go mano-e-mano. Too funny; i forgot you were some scary big deal in a past life. Not sure what it was, but we do know it wasn't helping create spell check or grammar check for Microsoft.
Sorry, that's not kind, it's just easy to see you shouldn't get into a war of words...your arsenal is limited. That may be a tad tough for you to understand, what i'm saying is when you are trying to communicate, you are shooting blanks.
I am curious, did you actually read the post about the gluttons and their huge increases and the impact on the future of the UFCW. Given the large set of testicles you claim to have, are you going to confront the pigs in the trough and ask them if it is true?
Come on genius, let's have a real discussion about what matters and not this school boy bravado about who is tougher, stronger or richer. No one and i mean no one on this site cares about your money.
Hey "mighty toes" got a message for ya! Click here:
http://www.hamccalgary.com/default.htm see ya soon
Now, now LY, that's no way to treat a newcomer. I'm always intrigued by guys like MT and love when they open up an you can see what makes them tick.
After all, the big boys will never come out and play if they can't control the venue so you have to give folks like toes and illuminati credit for at least having the balls to show up. With a little luck, those in power will give him the proper tools and information so we can have a civilized and half way intelligent conversation.
Hey Dan, im sure "Jordan and the Steads" would love to hear that you are speaking on their behalf, smarten up you tool
well i will have to ask jordan myself and find out
hey laboryes do you think that
you showing me a pic of hells angels is scaring me lol
or is it supposed to be a threat?
well im not impressed and im deffinetly not scared
oh by the way why dont you send my a t- shirt
im a big fan of the angels and all of there accomplishments
you know i was thing of reporting you but your so a punk and i kind of like it.i was wondering are you a member of the angels or are you just claiming to know them or neither?
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posted by Scab:
Hey Dan, im sure "Jordan and the Steads" would love to hear that you are speaking on their behalf, smarten up you tool
Read my post I said they know who I am, by the way you must be the only guy who likes toz, I am yet to have met a guy who has worked with him that has anything nice to say about him.
hey dan your and idiot. ive heard this first hand
are you like that other dummy who came on here and throws around threats of hells angels and other crap .
is that how you people deal with things.
tell you what im calling out these people that you say have nothing good to say about me because i know your a lying scum bag. anyone who has ever meet me or worked with me has only said good things ive stood up for everyone at my building whenever possible and for you to come on here saying that crap is all lies. see your mad because your whole life youve been a follower and im a leader.
so go back to your trailer and take that dum ass angels wanna be with you and go drink your beer and smoke your pot and shut the fuck up
your an idiot and everyone knows it youve been called out in the past and have run with your tail between your legs maybe we should meet in person
ID LIKE THAT A LOT
Not a problem you know where I work.
Hello mighty toes may I ask you if your just mad that we didn,t accept your contract you seem angry oh yeah I own houses to and rent them out to students big deal and i don,t live in a trailer either, have you taking the place of illumanti he was the whipping boy for the ufcw last time are you the new whipping boy? being a union person will you just support our movement at the grove we are not going to cave in like you guys did at the mill when you had the company by the go nads just before thanksgiving why didn,t you people show a spine and walk. call the companys bluff.
One more thing mighty toez did you attend the meeting at the holiday inn kitchener and were you sitting at the table?
Toz is harmless, everyone needs to grow up a little, this is getting really childish. He sees that he is getting you all worked up, and thats what he likes, lets must move on shall we.
I never said i like Toz Dan, i dont like you using peoples names in your posts without their knowledge or permission, im assuming you have neither
You assumed wrong, besides I only mentioned Jordon because they work in the same building and he knows me from the last campaign here. Besises I didn't list the testimonials from all of his former work mates.
Lets try and get the best deal we can and try and show Toz that he is full of crap, im sure he wont be angry, it will lay the groundwork for their next contract. He might even post out here, and we can be one big happy family lol
lol oh really, you asked them if you could talk about them on the internet?
Wow you seem pretty upset about a name mentioned. Well I tell you what you think there is something wrong why don't you approach me at work and we can check and see if this is as horrible as you believe it is.
Just behave yourself Dan, you know the rules
hey dan is it true your wife is sleeping with half the night shift?
i find it hard to believe seeing how fat and ugly she is
WHATS WITH THE ATTACK ON DAN...DO YOU KNOW IN FACT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING OR ARE YOU JUST TRYING TO GET HIS GOAT...
WHATS REALLY AMAZING IS HOW I GOT YOUR GOAT...YOU HAVE TOLD US MORE ABOUT YOURSELF THAN ANYONE COULD BELIEVE...I FEEL THAT MY TIRATE AGAINST YOU BROUGHT OUT YOUR TRUE COLORS...I DO APPOLOGIZE TO MY FELLOW POSTERS FOR MY CONDUCT , BUT , SOMBODY HAD TO CALL HIS BLUFF...
I`M THANFUL THAT PEOPLE LIKE YOU CAN STILL BE BROUGHT OUT WITH A LITTLE PUSH...
I THINK WE CAN BE FRIENDS,,,WOULD YOU LIKE TO GET TOGETHER FOR A BEER OR TWO...WE HAVE SO MUCH IN COMMON...YOUR A PRINCE OF EVERYTHING YOU WISH TO BE YOURS...GOD LOVE YOU...YOU ARE THE KING...
The rules?
Sorry but a guy outside our building who seems bent on stirring up a hornets nest and destroying any idea of solidarity between 1000a wharhouses deserves some flaming. You know how many times I heard why should we support the guys in T.O. as they would not do anything to help us?
I replied they would I have been to their meetings and talked with them and then toz comes here wishing us ill.
We know toz is taking shots in the dark about fellow workers at the grove I am simply letting him know I know all about him and I am not a caw supporter. Like I said I have not listed everything said about him but he was the one who said "ask around" and mentioned the groc clerk from our house.
well said Dan, just dont use my name again fucker, lol freezer bitch!!!!
I'm a bastard, bitch is what I do.
was Toz booted?
i felt like calling you out today Dan, but i just played dumb, dont speak on behalf of me or anyone else, worry about yourself, thats all
If he did I would like to know what took so long.
Probably, I don't think they like poster hitting on other posters the way he was hitting on martin.
i thought would take me on but he,s going take on somebodys wife whatever are you the new whipping boy for the ufcw? before you put me down why did you spine less wonders accept the deal you did your so strong and mighty why didn,t you go on strike when the position was favorable?
take on half the warehouse you must be a friend of free love come on
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posted by the mighty toz:
oh by the way why dont you send my a t- shirt
im a big fan of the angels and all of there accomplishments
What size shirt do ya wear? I'm assuming small Give me a mailing address and it will be on it's way. Would you like a Tshirt or sweat shirt? Remember "toes" support your Local 81
HI EVERYONE IM BACK
AS I PROMISED I WILL BEHAVE UNION TALK ONLY: )
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posted by the mighty toz:
HI EVERYONE IM BACK
AS I PROMISED I WILL BEHAVE UNION TALK ONLY: )
All right "toes" I'll send Pearson your shirt I know his address. Snooze ya loose
NO NO I WANT A SHIRT
3 XL PLEASE
Back to union biz is a good idea, Why would the company transfer 40 stores back to the mill when its the busy time of year you would think the mill could not handle extra volume at this time or surveyors whse, I heard some deli has gone back to surveyors has any one seen this and are they crossdocking once again?
WELL IM THE NIGHT CLERK AT SURVERYORS AND I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT WE ARE GETTING CROSSDAOCK FROM YOU GUYS AGIN.
6 TO 8 TRUCKS A NIGHT. AS PER CHAD HARPER
emunster wrote:
I was listening to the shareholder meeting from last week and John Lederer was boasting how the company was getting cooperation from their unions
I have no opinion or comment I will just let you all read the writings of independent market analysts, who I suspect no a little more than a guy whose namesake (emunster) slept hung upside in a closet or in a drawer or whatever it was.
Corporate Debt Research
Credit Comment
Thursday, December 01, 2005 Retail/Merchandising
Loblaw Companies Limited
<>The unions seem to be holding back some of the strategy. Management mentioned several times during the conference that it was facing some union roadblocks in trying to implement its strategic initiatives. One example was that the union has held back its ability to convert traditional Loblaw stores to its Super Store format. In addition, management mentioned that it was having a hard time getting part time workers in Canada. We believe that the Company is working to resolve these issues, but probably faces a competitive disadvantage versus Wal-Mart, which does not have a labour union.<>
That's one persons analysis versus the truth. This company will get to build their superstore format on existing Loblaws/Zehrs. That's why two Zehr's stores are converting on existing sites. The ufcw filed a complaint against the company for threatening to close these stores if they didn't get their way. Instead of continuing with the complaint the union told the members that the mediator forced them to work out a deal. My understanding is that the mediator only has the power to suggest solutions not force a final decision. Ufcw should have continued with the complaint because the company broke the law. Most of the members don't have a clue about how labour law works and the union knows it, they lie through their teeth and the members believe them because we pay them to represent us. The company and the union will come to an early contract renewal which will give the company the right to build these superstores on existing sites and apply the new wage rates in them. Ufcw is too comfy with the company and it is time for a change at the stores as well as the warehouses. We need new leadership at the union front.
emunster,
Can you do ONE (1) thing for all of us. BE CONSISTENT.
You posted a statement. I responded by simply posting a statement to counter yours which was made by someone who makes a very good living at market analysis; he is an expert.
In FACT, you made a statement which was clearly FALSE. You put words in the mouth of an Executive that were contrary to the actual words he spoke.
You then changed your "tune" and countered with assumptions, personal opinions, and projections.
Inconistent thinking, inconsistent communication, false reporting of information.
Please come back and stay the course.
"Management mentioned that it was having a hard time getting part time workers in Canada"
What exactly does that mean anyway?
My guess is that Loblaws is mad that all the illegal immigrants from Mexico stop at Wal-mart instead of coming further north to work at their stores.
Management is having a hard time staffing and retaining staff because of the shitty pay. This company hires everybody nobody wants. You pay in peanuts, you get monkeys.
As for you Queen Observer passing you two senses on this website, listen to the webcast on the companies website, the statement wasn't false. What qualifies this individual as an expert, anyway? I can doctor a piece of paper that says I am an analyst, that's his/her personal opinion. This is a website that allows us to express our opinions and FACTS, all you seem to do is try to be sh*t disturber, why don't YOU stick to the topic.
thanks emunster,
AGAIN and AGAIN guys like you on here prove my point. The minute someone disagrees with something you post you immediately turn to the personal attack.
So to review how it works time and again.
1. The guys who live on and off this website, for example, YOU, always get all excited like when you used to climb the rope in gym class, whenever someone new posts on here, this website known as your personal playground.
2. You spend countless hours trying to figure out who knows who and make accusations about who is who and what the connections are and round and round you go inevitably always getting it wrong.
3. You then go to the personal attack.
4. IF you are attacked back you then resort to accusing the person of initiating the personal attacks and how they should stay on topic, all the while sucking your thumb and crying to the "Moderators" (joke) to ban the person.
That is why, if you look at the last four (4) years these message boards have NOT thrived or grown. It is the same old same old. I come on here once every eight (8) months and you get your panties all in a knot.
Question: What do most if not all of the Moderators on this website have in common. The answer is quite sad.
First of all you started with the personal attacks, if you can't handle it don't visit this website anymore, it's morons like you who come on here to stir up shit because you have no friends. It's not your fault, you talk about gym class, you one of those guys that constantly tries to fit in but constantly gets picked on, that's right I remember your the nerd with the tape between glasses. Most of us on this website including the moderators have been in this business for many years and have put up with this corruption for too long so stop coming to this site only to crave attention.
Hey Keen, notice a lot of anti-ufcw sentiment at Maplegrove lately............Make ya nervous?
emunster,
It's nice to see you copy cat me from like four (4) years ago. Everyone knows you are simply reflecting on your unformative school years.
I fail to see where I attacked you personally so please enlighten me as to where I did that.
Nevertheless let's just agree that I will post what and when I want here and you have absolutely no say or influence on that. Even if I were to be "banned" you still have no say in that. If I were to be "banned" it would be because I wrote something with full knowledge that it would get me banned ... no grade school hall monitor like you with your arm band is going to dictate anything on this or any other website.
Understand that this message is for YOU and YOU alone, no one else.
CRAVE ATTENTION ???!!!???!!!???
YOU live on here not I. I come on here, like I said every several months or so and it is people like YOU that make me the centre of attention. I don't seek that, I simply post like anyone else. Blame yourself.
Remember my four (4) step process that reveals this website's modus operandi ... you assisted me in illustrating it first hand.
I simply made ONE (1) reference to your post by presenting a different perspective than the one you presented. It was not my perspective, it was that of a food industry analyst. That led you to start the BS that you moderator types always do as was easily predicted.
Anyway, I have to go now, say hello to Herman, Lily, Grandpa, and that hot blonde cousin of yours, Marilyn.
emunster,
It's nice to see you copy cat me from like four (4) years ago. Everyone knows you are simply reflecting on your unformative school years.
I fail to see where I attacked you personally so please enlighten me as to where I did that.
Nevertheless let's just agree that I will post what and when I want here and you have absolutely no say or influence on that. Even if I were to be "banned" you still have no say in that. If I were to be "banned" it would be because I wrote something with full knowledge that it would get me banned ... no grade school hall monitor like you with your arm band is going to dictate anything on this or any other website.
Understand that this message is for YOU and YOU alone, no one else.
CRAVE ATTENTION ???!!!???!!!???
YOU live on here not I. I come on here, like I said every several months or so and it is people like YOU that make me the centre of attention. I don't seek that, I simply post like anyone else. Blame yourself.
Remember my four (4) step process that reveals this website's modus operandi ... you assisted me in illustrating it first hand.
I simply made ONE (1) reference to your post by presenting a different perspective than the one you presented. It was not my perspective, it was that of a food industry analyst. That led you to start the BS that you moderator types always do as was easily predicted.
Anyway, I have to go now, say hello to Herman, Lily, Grandpa, and that hot blonde cousin of yours, Marilyn.
cmartin,
Understand that whatever emunster wants to start and goes back and forth has NOTHING to do with Maple Grove, or our members there.
I spoke with you in person alone for the most part for about 30 minutes and I did not direct any personal comments at you. We talked and I acknowledged your sentiments and I said and I will repeat it, I respect what you or anyone else who works at Maple Grove wishes to bring forward. I don't dismiss it, I don't hold it against you.
You made a statement in a recent post that I agree with. I think that for the first time in four (4) years the membership at Maple Grove was/is united in a common goal. The 83% no vote showed that.
It is my hope that, moving forward, we are going to proceed as has been communicated and I believe you are aware of. In the event that you are not aware or need more details you are more than welcome to contact me by phone or email.
If I don't hear from you, I will come see you at work and there is one issue I do want to inform you about because it is something you mentioned to me and you have I believe mentioned it here also at least once if I recall correctly.
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posted by cmartin:
Hey Keen, notice a lot of anti-ufcw sentiment at Maplegrove lately............Make ya nervous?
C, What ever happens happens, but why would SOME of the C.A.W supporters put graffiti all over the place?
These people are risking there jobs and making our work-place look like shit.
I don't know why they would risk their job for that , but let's be fair and say that it has come from both sides, it's just a little more one sided right now.
I RECALL COME VOTE TIMES, THE UFCW PUTTING OUT GRAFFITI IN PRINT FORM AGAINST THE CAW...WHATS THE DIFFERENCE...ON A WALL OR IN A PAMPLET...IT`S NOTHING BUT FREE SPEECH...IT`S WHAT OUR FOR-FATHERS FOUGHT FOR...
I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE CAW SUPPORTERS TO APPLY THEIR GRAFITTI SKILLS TO PUTTING THEM ON PAPER AND PLACING THEM AROUND THE WAREHOUSE SO WE DON`T OFFEND CERTAIN PEOPLE...
WOULD THAT MAKE YOU HAPPY OR ARE YOU JUST UPSET WITH THE CONTENT...I KNOW I WAS`NT HAPPY WITH THE ANTI-CAW GRAFITTI...LIVE WITH IT...YOU CAN`T CHANGE PROGRESSION...YOU CAN CHANGE THE WAY YOU LOOK AT IT...
YA FREE SPEECH I UNDERSTAND BUT SHOULDNT THEY KEEP IT OF THE WALLS AND AT LEAST BE PRODUCTIVE AND PUT IT ON PAPER
Posting Guidelines/Golden Rules ---> THERE'S NO NEED TO YELL. All-Caps posts are annoying and generally regarded as rude.
(bleep)........... Sorry Sig I couldn't help myself!
ed = no problem Ly, I can help you help yourself - no. 2 and 3 are good reads.
sorry didnt know